Swiss European Air Lines - Pheonix or Funeral
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Swiss European Air Lines - Pheonix or Funeral
It has been brought to our attention that Mr. C. Franz the Swiss MD seems to be trying to kill his newborn.
The cockpit personnel (mainly ex. Crossair and mainly members of Swiss Pilots the short-haul cockpit union for Swiss) received the following on blank (not company official) notepaper. I quote the English translation:
"English translation only German Text is legally binding
Dear Swiss European Air Lines colleagues and co-workers
We are extremely keen to ensure that you are informed as comprehensively as possible about your new terms and conditions of employment. In this regard, we would like to offer you further explanation and elucidation on a number of key issues which have arisen in relation to your new employment contracts.
Sincerely,
Signed C. Franz Signed M. Brennwald
Christoph Franz Manfred Brennwald
P.S. We have received numerous questions from individual employees over the last few days. These have been collated and will be found, togetheer with our answers to them, in a special Q&A section on our CrewLink. The Q&A is constantly being updated, so we advise you to visit it regularly."
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An article also appeared in today's Basler Zeitung (BaZ) - in German
I leave the analysis of the details to others, including the lawyers, and wish all involved as positive an outcome as is possible....
My own conclusions are:
1. How can a company continue with such an MD - consider the case of a pilot who fears for his future and his family and who picks up such a letter of checking in to work and opens it during the flight. Can you Mr. Franz stand up straight and answer for the possible consequences if such a person were to go "postal" with a full plane of pax?
2. How uncouth has our society become - to receive such a letter dated 22nd December - and then to expect good will when all you are offering is a serious loss of pay and worse conditions, with NO visible effort from the management to take the same or greater cuts themselves.
3. As a passenger knowing the stress that the crew are flying under - this looks like it will become a self-fulfilling prophesy. I for one will reduce my risk exposure and fly somebody else, wherever possible - sorry chaps but bail out now while you still can.
4. From what I see and hear, the current MD Mr. Franz left Lufthansa and then the Deutsche Bundesbahn under serious clouds - maybe I am misinformed. But the more I think about it the better the plot becomes for a Stasi style business infiltration thriller - Tatort or LeCarré style. Shame real people will have to pay the damage with their existances and that the Swiss state has already written off some 3 Billion Sfr. in this little game.
5. Perhaps the right outcome would be for the Pilot's unions of the world to Black List any new Swiss European hiree's from 1st Jan 2006 - like they did with the 49er's at CX. OK I know it doesn't usually work but it could be the straw that breaks the camels back - and Lufthansa probably does not want that kind of thing to spread to their world, eve though they are the owners and ultimately "responsible" for Mr. Franz's (explicatives deleted) acts.
Have a scan of the origninal letter in English & German
Understand that moderators have difficulty leaving such items on the "NEWS" page, especially as it is not British or European. But industry industrial action is "news" and this is similar to some of the things that are ongoing at Ryan and elsewhere - and the pot is boiling on this one - so please give it a week or so and if it doesn't explode by then.... OK - Thanks in advance.
The cockpit personnel (mainly ex. Crossair and mainly members of Swiss Pilots the short-haul cockpit union for Swiss) received the following on blank (not company official) notepaper. I quote the English translation:
"English translation only German Text is legally binding
Dear Swiss European Air Lines colleagues and co-workers
We are extremely keen to ensure that you are informed as comprehensively as possible about your new terms and conditions of employment. In this regard, we would like to offer you further explanation and elucidation on a number of key issues which have arisen in relation to your new employment contracts.
- Since this year's Collective Labour Agreement (CLA) negotiations failed, after several months, to produce a feasible result, we will now, as previously announced, be regulating your terms of employment under individual employment contracts, which will remain in effect for the near future. This state of affairs will not change, even if Swiss Pilots were to receive over 80% of the contract offers which we have sent individually to our regional pilot corps. Needless to say, we remain open as ever to finding a new broader employment situation (including a CLA) with our social partners, and to returning to the negotiating table with this aim in mind.
- Should an insufficient number of pilots accept the new terms and conditions of employment which we are offering at Swiss European from April 1, 2006 onwards, we would immediately start to recruit Avro RJ pilots or other commercial pilots on the external employment market in early January 2006. We would also immediately step up our Avro training activities.
- In such an eventuality, we might be obligde, for a certain transitional period, to reorganise our feeder operations by expanding our wet-lease arrangements. We might also have to consider reducing service (or even suspending it completely) on certain routes for a limited period.
- We would like to point out that, in entrusting your individual contract of employment to Swiss Pilots, you are assigning to your union a sizeable responsibility for your professional and your personal future. Swiss Pilots will itself face an immense challenge in handling this responsibility properly and appropriately: with its far-reaching consequences, the decision on whether to accept our new terms and conditions of employmentshould essentially be taken by each and every individual, and should not be delegated to a union, with or without the corresponding power of attorney.
- What is clear is that you will certainly not be employed by Swiss European from April 1, 2006 onwards unless we receive your new individual contract of employment, signed by you, by December 31, 2005.
Sincerely,
Signed C. Franz Signed M. Brennwald
Christoph Franz Manfred Brennwald
P.S. We have received numerous questions from individual employees over the last few days. These have been collated and will be found, togetheer with our answers to them, in a special Q&A section on our CrewLink. The Q&A is constantly being updated, so we advise you to visit it regularly."
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An article also appeared in today's Basler Zeitung (BaZ) - in German
I leave the analysis of the details to others, including the lawyers, and wish all involved as positive an outcome as is possible....
My own conclusions are:
1. How can a company continue with such an MD - consider the case of a pilot who fears for his future and his family and who picks up such a letter of checking in to work and opens it during the flight. Can you Mr. Franz stand up straight and answer for the possible consequences if such a person were to go "postal" with a full plane of pax?
2. How uncouth has our society become - to receive such a letter dated 22nd December - and then to expect good will when all you are offering is a serious loss of pay and worse conditions, with NO visible effort from the management to take the same or greater cuts themselves.
3. As a passenger knowing the stress that the crew are flying under - this looks like it will become a self-fulfilling prophesy. I for one will reduce my risk exposure and fly somebody else, wherever possible - sorry chaps but bail out now while you still can.
4. From what I see and hear, the current MD Mr. Franz left Lufthansa and then the Deutsche Bundesbahn under serious clouds - maybe I am misinformed. But the more I think about it the better the plot becomes for a Stasi style business infiltration thriller - Tatort or LeCarré style. Shame real people will have to pay the damage with their existances and that the Swiss state has already written off some 3 Billion Sfr. in this little game.
5. Perhaps the right outcome would be for the Pilot's unions of the world to Black List any new Swiss European hiree's from 1st Jan 2006 - like they did with the 49er's at CX. OK I know it doesn't usually work but it could be the straw that breaks the camels back - and Lufthansa probably does not want that kind of thing to spread to their world, eve though they are the owners and ultimately "responsible" for Mr. Franz's (explicatives deleted) acts.
Have a scan of the origninal letter in English & German
Understand that moderators have difficulty leaving such items on the "NEWS" page, especially as it is not British or European. But industry industrial action is "news" and this is similar to some of the things that are ongoing at Ryan and elsewhere - and the pot is boiling on this one - so please give it a week or so and if it doesn't explode by then.... OK - Thanks in advance.
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I hate to repeat myself here in pprune: If such a story would happen in the rest of the civilized world, in RYR, EZY, EK or in any other European airline, the threads would be full and uproar guaranteed.
What happens now is just the logic continuation of all the shocking events that happened since this labour dispute started after the founding of Swiss.
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What happens now is just the logic continuation of all the shocking events that happened since this labour dispute started after the founding of Swiss.
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Read the first post. The german text is legally binding, and in any case a legal document doesn't need to be on company letterhead to be enforceable. Think about a Microsoft EULA for example.
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Die Swiss riskiert im Pilotenstreit sehr viel
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Mit der Kündigungsdrohung an die Adresse der Piloten bringt die Regional-Airline der Swiss ihren Flugbetrieb in Gefahr. Neues Personal ist nämlich rar, Engpässe sind absehbar.
Von Marcel Speiser
Zürich. - ŦWeltweit gibt es einen Mangel an erfahrenen Pilotenŧ, sagt Phillip Ashley-Smith, Partner von PAS Aviation in Rotkreuz. Die Firma ist auf die Vermittlung von Piloten spezialisiert. Der Stellenmarkt für Cockpitführer ist zurzeit ein Arbeitnehmermarkt. Nicht in der Schweiz zwar, aber fast überall auf der Welt. Dessen ungeachtet nimmt die Swiss in Kauf, dass bei ihrer Tochterfirma Swiss European bereits in fünf Tagen gut vier Fünftel aller Regionalpiloten in einem gekündigten Arbeitsverhältnis stehen. Sie will die in der Gewerkschaft Swiss Pilots organisierten Piloten und Kopiloten nur dann weiterbeschäftigen, wenn diese bis Silvester massiv schlechtere Arbeitsbedingungen akzeptieren (TA vom Dienstag).
Das allerdings lassen sich die Swiss Pilots nicht bieten. ŦDie extreme Stahlhelmtaktik der Swiss wird nicht zum Ziel führenŧ, sagt ihr Präsident Christoph Frick. Das Zerwürfnis zwischen dem Swiss-Management und dem Cockpitpersonal habe einen neuen Höhepunkt erreicht. Über 80 Prozent der Regionalpiloten haben die neuen Einzelarbeitsverträge für die Zeit ab April nicht unterschrieben, sondern ihrer Gewerkschaft zugestellt - quasi als Pfand im Arbeitskampf.
Swiss gibt sich gelassen
Trotz der Perspektive, schon in drei Monaten mit einem Pilotenmangel konfrontiert zu sein, bleibt die Swiss gelassen. ŦWir rechnen nicht damit, dass wir Flüge ausfallen lassen müssenŧ, sagt Swiss-Sprecher Dominik Werner. Wenn aber tatsächlich 80 Prozent der Piloten nicht mehr für Swiss European fliegen würden, wäre das Ŧnicht ganz so einfachŧ.
Luftfahrtexperten halten diese Einschätzung für stark untertrieben. ŦKurzfristig über 200 neue, gut qualifizierte Piloten zu mässig attraktiven Arbeitsbedingungen anzustellen, ist unrealistischŧ, sagt ein Kenner, der nicht namentlich zitiert werden will. Statt wie bisher rund 320 Regionalpiloten will die Swiss künftig noch 220 beschäftigen. Zwar sei es möglich, den Pilotenmangel mit ŦErsatzlösungenŧ grösstenteils aufzufangen, so der Branchenkenner. ŦDoch der Kunde wird das spüren.ŧ
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/dyn/news...ft/576444.html
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Mit der Kündigungsdrohung an die Adresse der Piloten bringt die Regional-Airline der Swiss ihren Flugbetrieb in Gefahr. Neues Personal ist nämlich rar, Engpässe sind absehbar.
Von Marcel Speiser
Zürich. - ŦWeltweit gibt es einen Mangel an erfahrenen Pilotenŧ, sagt Phillip Ashley-Smith, Partner von PAS Aviation in Rotkreuz. Die Firma ist auf die Vermittlung von Piloten spezialisiert. Der Stellenmarkt für Cockpitführer ist zurzeit ein Arbeitnehmermarkt. Nicht in der Schweiz zwar, aber fast überall auf der Welt. Dessen ungeachtet nimmt die Swiss in Kauf, dass bei ihrer Tochterfirma Swiss European bereits in fünf Tagen gut vier Fünftel aller Regionalpiloten in einem gekündigten Arbeitsverhältnis stehen. Sie will die in der Gewerkschaft Swiss Pilots organisierten Piloten und Kopiloten nur dann weiterbeschäftigen, wenn diese bis Silvester massiv schlechtere Arbeitsbedingungen akzeptieren (TA vom Dienstag).
Das allerdings lassen sich die Swiss Pilots nicht bieten. ŦDie extreme Stahlhelmtaktik der Swiss wird nicht zum Ziel führenŧ, sagt ihr Präsident Christoph Frick. Das Zerwürfnis zwischen dem Swiss-Management und dem Cockpitpersonal habe einen neuen Höhepunkt erreicht. Über 80 Prozent der Regionalpiloten haben die neuen Einzelarbeitsverträge für die Zeit ab April nicht unterschrieben, sondern ihrer Gewerkschaft zugestellt - quasi als Pfand im Arbeitskampf.
Swiss gibt sich gelassen
Trotz der Perspektive, schon in drei Monaten mit einem Pilotenmangel konfrontiert zu sein, bleibt die Swiss gelassen. ŦWir rechnen nicht damit, dass wir Flüge ausfallen lassen müssenŧ, sagt Swiss-Sprecher Dominik Werner. Wenn aber tatsächlich 80 Prozent der Piloten nicht mehr für Swiss European fliegen würden, wäre das Ŧnicht ganz so einfachŧ.
Luftfahrtexperten halten diese Einschätzung für stark untertrieben. ŦKurzfristig über 200 neue, gut qualifizierte Piloten zu mässig attraktiven Arbeitsbedingungen anzustellen, ist unrealistischŧ, sagt ein Kenner, der nicht namentlich zitiert werden will. Statt wie bisher rund 320 Regionalpiloten will die Swiss künftig noch 220 beschäftigen. Zwar sei es möglich, den Pilotenmangel mit ŦErsatzlösungenŧ grösstenteils aufzufangen, so der Branchenkenner. ŦDoch der Kunde wird das spüren.ŧ
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/dyn/news...ft/576444.html
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uhm, Crossair was CRX, not CX. And Moritz Suter sold his company long time ago to SWR, 1996, shortly before going bankrupt. Since then it belonged to SWR. It was the bankrupt SWR that sold its assets, including CRX. The later it sold to the government and some leading financial companies in Switzerland.
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Can someone confirm...
that the new personal contracts from 01 April 2006 are 20% reduction in Basic Pay for everyone?
Is that 100% correct?
I'm getting mixed info here and whilst a strike would obviously be the last thing that Swiss need now, this "20% reduction" that I've heard is surely not the way forward.
Thanks.
Is that 100% correct?
I'm getting mixed info here and whilst a strike would obviously be the last thing that Swiss need now, this "20% reduction" that I've heard is surely not the way forward.
Thanks.
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99 we need to be very careful here about a % cut... It would seem from the data that I have been able to "hear" that the cut is around 20-25% for most pilots. Not all of it is in cash from what I understand - more work less vacation is also at play.
It is also rumoured that "management" (sorry they don't deserve a capital M) is having cuts - but the situation is nothing logical like the action you or I might choose in such "hard" times such as right chaps a 30% cut across the whole staff or an increasing % depending on salary and conditions (more you earn more you loose and the more of dependents you have the less you loose type formula).
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Sorry to say that's a good call. Am surprised however that Swiss Pilots have around 75% of the contracts last time I heard (nothing on their web site unfortunately - missing a great chance there chaps).
Am also surprised at the arms-length attitude from Cockpit (Lufthansa's pilots union) !
MOR, Barcardi, Flybystring
The German text was on the other side of the paper to the English and was also not headed notepaper. Not illegal, but it definately indicates a sense that the Corporate Lawyers were not happy with Franz's move and did not want the company liability brought into play - just his personal liability (as a German he may not understand the subtle difference here - his fortune is now on the line!)
The point of a blackmailing threat is interesting, unfortunately I expect that Dani will be proven right and that nobody will dare take him to court - getting Franz araigned now would be my prime focus if I were anywhere near that union - noise always sells and when you have not much more to loose .....
Good luck chaps
It is also rumoured that "management" (sorry they don't deserve a capital M) is having cuts - but the situation is nothing logical like the action you or I might choose in such "hard" times such as right chaps a 30% cut across the whole staff or an increasing % depending on salary and conditions (more you earn more you loose and the more of dependents you have the less you loose type formula).
Dani
Sorry to say that's a good call. Am surprised however that Swiss Pilots have around 75% of the contracts last time I heard (nothing on their web site unfortunately - missing a great chance there chaps).
Am also surprised at the arms-length attitude from Cockpit (Lufthansa's pilots union) !
MOR, Barcardi, Flybystring
The German text was on the other side of the paper to the English and was also not headed notepaper. Not illegal, but it definately indicates a sense that the Corporate Lawyers were not happy with Franz's move and did not want the company liability brought into play - just his personal liability (as a German he may not understand the subtle difference here - his fortune is now on the line!)
The point of a blackmailing threat is interesting, unfortunately I expect that Dani will be proven right and that nobody will dare take him to court - getting Franz araigned now would be my prime focus if I were anywhere near that union - noise always sells and when you have not much more to loose .....
Good luck chaps
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They do already with 320 - so....
PAX are long suffering, and in managements eyes expendible (always more where they came from!). The flights you get rebooked on are often better anyway, so why go back.
The real way to solve this management problem is for the passengers to stop coming - Helvetic need your help, Easy goes most places at lower fares, use AF/KL feeder flights to long haul to show LH that you can talk with your wallets.
PAX are long suffering, and in managements eyes expendible (always more where they came from!). The flights you get rebooked on are often better anyway, so why go back.
The real way to solve this management problem is for the passengers to stop coming - Helvetic need your help, Easy goes most places at lower fares, use AF/KL feeder flights to long haul to show LH that you can talk with your wallets.
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Ah how nice, good old Manni Burnforrest is still crancking out emails! 
The only way you can deal with ex-SR bastards is by brute force!
Crossair pilots should have gone on strike on the 1st of April 2002 when our company was invaded by ex-SR employees who placed themselves on top of the seniority list. But you didnīt...
Crossair pilots should have crushed them when we had them by īthe short and curliesī in 2003 with the Court of Arbitration verdict. But you didnīt...
Now you guys are on sh!t creek without a paddle. Itīs not about doing each other favours, because (as you can see) they arenīt doing you any favours back! Itīs survival of the fittest out there!
The only way you can deal with ex-SR bastards is by brute force!
Crossair pilots should have gone on strike on the 1st of April 2002 when our company was invaded by ex-SR employees who placed themselves on top of the seniority list. But you didnīt...
Crossair pilots should have crushed them when we had them by īthe short and curliesī in 2003 with the Court of Arbitration verdict. But you didnīt...
Now you guys are on sh!t creek without a paddle. Itīs not about doing each other favours, because (as you can see) they arenīt doing you any favours back! Itīs survival of the fittest out there!
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Hope for some ?
Hear that "Hello" is doubling its MD90 fleet out of BSL with the addition of another 3 planes ex SAS. Good on you Moritz. That could be a new home for 30 pilots...... and there is just a chance that Easy will add further planes to the BSL and GVA bases also, over and above what is already planned!
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I don't think many of them will join Hello. It's a different ballgame to keep up a fading icon like Suter, than going back to work for a crook like him. Ex-Crossair pilots know just best how he screws evreyone in his environement. But these guys are notorious in twisting reality for their poor minds salute. Just follow earlier comments of some ex-crx dreamers. Take away their godfather Suter and, worse, their enemy ex-Swissair and they are left alone, incapable of dealing with the bitter reality that even in Switzerland the ugly marketforces rule harshely. It's like taking away GWB from the Arab world, they'd be left to kill each other.....
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As with all such changes, one should also ask the question 'what is behind it all?'
If people accept these individual contracts, the ground is set for a 'strike breaking European sweatshop' company. From what I've been shown by colleagues, external assignments of up to 3 months are unilaterally assignable by the company, no ifs or buts.
Hence the next time LH or her subsidary pilots are on strike or threaten strike, LH management can send in SEAL.... (it appears that they are not interested if the European connections to SWISS collapse or not - otherwise we wouldn't be discussing any of this here).
Something that the LH unions & even Aeropers should consider when it comes to providing concreate support opposed to lip service.
If people accept these individual contracts, the ground is set for a 'strike breaking European sweatshop' company. From what I've been shown by colleagues, external assignments of up to 3 months are unilaterally assignable by the company, no ifs or buts.
Hence the next time LH or her subsidary pilots are on strike or threaten strike, LH management can send in SEAL.... (it appears that they are not interested if the European connections to SWISS collapse or not - otherwise we wouldn't be discussing any of this here).
Something that the LH unions & even Aeropers should consider when it comes to providing concreate support opposed to lip service.
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Yes but ...
Fleet:
Darwin Airline has three Saab 2000 aircraft, a twin turbine airliner with a roomy, quiet and vibration-free cabin of 50 seats in rows of 2 + 1 [...]
Not much capacity if the odd 15 - 20 ARJ are pulled to break a stike somewhere...
Fleet:
Darwin Airline has three Saab 2000 aircraft, a twin turbine airliner with a roomy, quiet and vibration-free cabin of 50 seats in rows of 2 + 1 [...]
Not much capacity if the odd 15 - 20 ARJ are pulled to break a stike somewhere...
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Guys, for a long time I thought the former CRX-fellows are ridiculous because they never understood how the market goes (just see Robert Vesco).
But now I think, you cannot get more out of the pilots anymore. The salaries are below average and they should start thinking about savings in other areas. Swiss has one of the lowest salary percentage of overall expenses in the industry (Europe) and they should start thinking to save in other areas (maintenace cost are the highest within europe - not because it's safer, because the old management signed an highly expensive contract).
I'll completely support the pilots (although they're definitely not my friends) and it's good to see them still standing together (with about 80% of contracts not returned to the company). It's going to be interesting to see what happens next.
Long-haul pilots may face the same next summer, but most of them are very relaxed. They're highly qualified, earn below average. One Capt. told me recently, that a lot of them are not afraid of being sacked, they would easy find another job elsewhere with their standards and 330/340-ratings, even with higher salary (although not living at home anymore).
Another interesting fact is that LH would like to see them on strike (although not publicly said, of course, but good source), to show their will & power, not only to the Swiss but also to their folks. If Swiss European's on strike, most of the people would transfer to LH anyway, so that plays for 'em, too.
But now I think, you cannot get more out of the pilots anymore. The salaries are below average and they should start thinking about savings in other areas. Swiss has one of the lowest salary percentage of overall expenses in the industry (Europe) and they should start thinking to save in other areas (maintenace cost are the highest within europe - not because it's safer, because the old management signed an highly expensive contract).
I'll completely support the pilots (although they're definitely not my friends) and it's good to see them still standing together (with about 80% of contracts not returned to the company). It's going to be interesting to see what happens next.
Long-haul pilots may face the same next summer, but most of them are very relaxed. They're highly qualified, earn below average. One Capt. told me recently, that a lot of them are not afraid of being sacked, they would easy find another job elsewhere with their standards and 330/340-ratings, even with higher salary (although not living at home anymore).
Another interesting fact is that LH would like to see them on strike (although not publicly said, of course, but good source), to show their will & power, not only to the Swiss but also to their folks. If Swiss European's on strike, most of the people would transfer to LH anyway, so that plays for 'em, too.
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Voeni, Swiss doesn't do this whole exercise to save costs, but to get rid of the former Crx pilots. That is the real reason behind it. They know very well that they will loose all court cases and couldn't sack anyone (even with individual contracts). So if SWU pilots go on strike, they can sack them immediatly. Only problem seem to be that they have to ground SWU. But they "take the risk", as Swiss' speaker say.
New negotiations run the moment I write this. I'm pretty convinced that they find a solution in the last minute.
New negotiations run the moment I write this. I'm pretty convinced that they find a solution in the last minute.