Under which rules is Ryanair flying?
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Under which rules is Ryanair flying?
I suspect ryanair is flying under irish rules but would like to now for sure if that is correct. In any case i would appreciate it if anybody could point me to a website that has the flight duty time rules that apply to ryanair. Just want to compare them with those we have to live with over here.
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RYR operate on an Irish IAA AOC, and as Ireland is a full JAA member, they operate to exactly the same rules as you in Germany ( in theory at least!)
JAR Ops subpart Q ( Flight duty times & limitations) has not yet been officially agreed upon or implemented, and therefore each state still works to it's own rules, with the UK CAA's CAP371 being used as a guideline.
In Ireland each operator must submit their own flight duty times/ limitations scheme as part of their Op's manual part A to the IAA for approval, therefore you will find differences between RYR and other airlines operating on an Irish AOC.
Realistically the only way you will get the information you require is if some kind RYR soul will copy you the relevant section of his/ her Op's part A.
Sorry I can't help more....
JAR Ops subpart Q ( Flight duty times & limitations) has not yet been officially agreed upon or implemented, and therefore each state still works to it's own rules, with the UK CAA's CAP371 being used as a guideline.
In Ireland each operator must submit their own flight duty times/ limitations scheme as part of their Op's manual part A to the IAA for approval, therefore you will find differences between RYR and other airlines operating on an Irish AOC.
Realistically the only way you will get the information you require is if some kind RYR soul will copy you the relevant section of his/ her Op's part A.
Sorry I can't help more....
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Thanks for the info so far. Shame about the individual flight/duty time limitations though. I know that the UK CAP371 is already quite a bit better than the german counterpart, would be interesting however how ryanair operates.
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Ryanair operates to whatever they make up on the day. Ostensibly the IAA oversees it, however the IAA doesn't exactly have a reputation as an organisation capable of overseeing anything. Remember that FR is far and away the IAAs biggest customer, and given that Irish airlines FTL's are approved on an individual basis, and not according to a standard set of rules, you can work out how the system works.
For example, FR pilots can operate up to 100 hours per month, unlike CAP371's 90 hours.
For example, FR pilots can operate up to 100 hours per month, unlike CAP371's 90 hours.
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This is the usual misunderstanding of CAP371. You can start a flight if you have less than 100 hours in 28 days. So, if on the 28th day you have flown 99 hours for instance you can go flying for as long a single sector as you like, so you might get 110 hours in 28 days perhaps. Likewise with the imagined limit of 900 hours a year. It's actually 900 hours in the previous 12 "calender" months so if you have 890 hours in the 12 months finishing on the last day of the previous month you can operate for the whole of the next month and you might get 1000 hours maybe. Sleep? Who need it?
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Re: Under which rules is Ryanair flying?
Ya right and ya wrong HUB and I quote:
A person shall not act as a member of the flight crew of an aircraft if at the beginning
of the flight the aggregate of all previous flight times:
a) during the period of 28 consecutive days expiring at the end of the day on which
the flight begins exceeds 100 hours. (This means that on the 28th day a flight crew
member may depart on a single sector flight, and may complete that sector, even
though at the end of the flight the total flying hours completed in 28 days will
exceed 100 hours. Consequently, the flight crew member cannot then continue to
operate as a flight crew member on any subsequent sectors during that day); or
b) during the period of 12 months, expiring at the end of the previous month exceeds
900 hours.
As ya can see - the 28 day example makes reference to the "end of the day on which the flight begins" but the 900 hr limit refers to "expiring at the end of the PREVIOUS month". As it's a rolling 12 months you will be starting a fresh month as one falls off at the beginning of the rolling year. Don't get yaself caught out here dude!!!
A person shall not act as a member of the flight crew of an aircraft if at the beginning
of the flight the aggregate of all previous flight times:
a) during the period of 28 consecutive days expiring at the end of the day on which
the flight begins exceeds 100 hours. (This means that on the 28th day a flight crew
member may depart on a single sector flight, and may complete that sector, even
though at the end of the flight the total flying hours completed in 28 days will
exceed 100 hours. Consequently, the flight crew member cannot then continue to
operate as a flight crew member on any subsequent sectors during that day); or
b) during the period of 12 months, expiring at the end of the previous month exceeds
900 hours.
As ya can see - the 28 day example makes reference to the "end of the day on which the flight begins" but the 900 hr limit refers to "expiring at the end of the PREVIOUS month". As it's a rolling 12 months you will be starting a fresh month as one falls off at the beginning of the rolling year. Don't get yaself caught out here dude!!!
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Re: Under which rules is Ryanair flying?
W.Co. I disagree with a). I had this out with a long haul operator and even phoned Balpa. I then found out they disagreed with the CAA interpretation of it, as per your answer a), but did nothing about it. Surprise. IMHO it states quite clearly that at the end of day 28 you shall not have accumulated more than 100 hours. I wonder why Balpa have not submitted this very grey intrepretation to its legal dept, or even higher, for calrification?
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Re: Under which rules is Ryanair flying?
Rat - this is not my interpretation, this was cut and pasted from the CAA's own web site under the sample FTL's for "large airlines"
see www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP371.PDF
see www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP371.PDF
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Re: Under which rules is Ryanair flying?
I have nearly been caught by this one a few times, so for clarity......
It is day 28 of my working cycle.
I report for work at 9 a.m.
At that point, including what I have done today ( nothing so far) I have accumulated 99 hours and 59 minutes flying hours.
Under this rule, not have exceeded 100 hours in 28 days ( including today), I can go flying.
I fly sector of 5 hours.
AT that point I have accumulated 104 hours and 59 minutes flying hours.
Under this rule, I have exceeded 100 hours in 28 days ( including today)and I cannot operate again today.
Rat 5, it says you cannot operate as a crewmember if you have exceeded 100 hours.
The same applies to the annual totals.
It is the 1st of February. In the previous 12 months ( ending at the end of January), I have accumulated 890 hours. Not having exceeded 900 hours in the previous 12 months ( ending at the end of January), I can go flying, and I can continue flying for the remainder of the month. At any point in that month, I am likely to have flown more than 900 hours in a year, depending on what flights are coming off my total from the previous February.
I remember when flying long haul, I regularly had a situation of heading off on a trip on the last day of the month with just enough hours to complete my planned sector, and being acutely aware that if I had to divert and operate a second sector, my accumulated 12 month totals ( at the end of that month) would have grounded me for the following month.
The wording is quite specific. it does NOT say that 100 hours in 28 days is an absolute limit, nor the 900 hours per annum. What it says is you can't go flying if you have EXCEEDED those totals, inferring that those totals are there to be exceeded.
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It is day 28 of my working cycle.
I report for work at 9 a.m.
At that point, including what I have done today ( nothing so far) I have accumulated 99 hours and 59 minutes flying hours.
Under this rule, not have exceeded 100 hours in 28 days ( including today), I can go flying.
I fly sector of 5 hours.
AT that point I have accumulated 104 hours and 59 minutes flying hours.
Under this rule, I have exceeded 100 hours in 28 days ( including today)and I cannot operate again today.
Rat 5, it says you cannot operate as a crewmember if you have exceeded 100 hours.
The same applies to the annual totals.
It is the 1st of February. In the previous 12 months ( ending at the end of January), I have accumulated 890 hours. Not having exceeded 900 hours in the previous 12 months ( ending at the end of January), I can go flying, and I can continue flying for the remainder of the month. At any point in that month, I am likely to have flown more than 900 hours in a year, depending on what flights are coming off my total from the previous February.
I remember when flying long haul, I regularly had a situation of heading off on a trip on the last day of the month with just enough hours to complete my planned sector, and being acutely aware that if I had to divert and operate a second sector, my accumulated 12 month totals ( at the end of that month) would have grounded me for the following month.
The wording is quite specific. it does NOT say that 100 hours in 28 days is an absolute limit, nor the 900 hours per annum. What it says is you can't go flying if you have EXCEEDED those totals, inferring that those totals are there to be exceeded.
jmc-man
