Racial Discrimination
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I too would like to thank everyone for their postive comments.
Who knows, we may meet some day!
To end with one of my favourite quotes:
"To most people, they sky is the limit, to those who love aviation, the sky is home" Anonymous
Who knows, we may meet some day!
To end with one of my favourite quotes:
"To most people, they sky is the limit, to those who love aviation, the sky is home" Anonymous
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Living and working in UK you may not face it directly and dont be shocked if you will.
What puth panjab & Jagbag says is VERY TRUE...STUDY HARD REAL HARD.
Aviation is a life time comitment...... not like just another line of work. all the best!
What puth panjab & Jagbag says is VERY TRUE...STUDY HARD REAL HARD.
Aviation is a life time comitment...... not like just another line of work. all the best!
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Just to add my two pennies (rupees?) worth. I too am a uk born Indian/Englishman of indian origin/British Hindu, with the added benefit of being told i look Middle Eastern. Had similar worries when i was young and was desparate to become a pilot. I went through the training system right about the 9/11 time and am subsequently working for a loco - not once have i encountered any sort of discrimination or racism. If anything my ethnic background is usually of great interest to the crews i fly with and i often enjoy regaling my colleagues with strange tales of weddings that last a week with a 1000+ guests and festivals which seem to crop up every other week based on the lunar calendar.
Though having just successfully passed the airways selection procedure i was actually starting to think that all the hard work and blood, sweat and tears had paid off. How naive of me! I realise now i only got in because of the colour of my skin. Makes a little more sense considering the ropey sim check i had.
Joking aside there may be some postive discriminiation out there unfortunately. Myself and a friend of mine won some flying awards from our training provider. On closer inspection we noticed that i was brown and my friend was female - talk about wheeling out the minorities for the awards bash
Good luck RoyBoy et al.
Though having just successfully passed the airways selection procedure i was actually starting to think that all the hard work and blood, sweat and tears had paid off. How naive of me! I realise now i only got in because of the colour of my skin. Makes a little more sense considering the ropey sim check i had.
Joking aside there may be some postive discriminiation out there unfortunately. Myself and a friend of mine won some flying awards from our training provider. On closer inspection we noticed that i was brown and my friend was female - talk about wheeling out the minorities for the awards bash
Good luck RoyBoy et al.
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Anybody(regaldless of their color or religion) who holds a British passport is British.
Being English to be a member of an ethnic group.
I find a lot of British/English do not understand this one.
But the French call enyone who comes from the British Isles "Les Anglais"
Being English to be a member of an ethnic group.
I find a lot of British/English do not understand this one.
But the French call enyone who comes from the British Isles "Les Anglais"
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From: Boldly going where no split infinitive has gone before..
Being English to be a member of an ethnic group.
Try calling a Scotsman in a Glasgow pub "English" after about 9.00pm and see what happens!!!
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Don't take offence, but why would you say British and not English?
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i have indian freinds and born and brought up in london if they wear a english shirt and go to support england team in a pub the so called english supporters (most of them from millwall or west ham) take it as an insult to english and abuse the asians for wearing the shirts this can be uncomfortable,this in turn leads the minority of them to call themselves british rather than english,
funny world we live in
but coming back to the original forum complete your studies work hard and do not give two toss about your racial background if you are good you are good end of the story
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Don't take offence, but why would you say British and not English?
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i have indian freinds and born and brought up in london if they wear a english shirt and go to support england team in a pub the so called english supporters (most of them from millwall or west ham) take it as an insult to english and abuse the asians for wearing the shirts this can be uncomfortable,this in turn leads the minority of them to call themselves british rather than english,
funny world we live in
but coming back to the original forum complete your studies work hard and do not give two toss about your racial background if you are good you are good end of the story
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From: Boldly going where no split infinitive has gone before..
english supporters (most of them from millwall or west ham) take it as an insult to english
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Just a reminder this is Terms & Endearment. Can responders restrict themselves to the thread starters original question. As a reminder it is :
Racial Discrimination
Hi there
Berfore I start my pilot training, i want to know if it is common for the airlines to prefer white pilots rather than pilots of another colour puerly on the colour of their skin?
I'm an asian (Indian) ,born and raised in London and even though being 110% British I fear due to the recent climate regarding the aviation industry my skills and qualites may be overlooked due to the colour of my skin.
All comments appreciated
Thank you
Racial Discrimination
Hi there
Berfore I start my pilot training, i want to know if it is common for the airlines to prefer white pilots rather than pilots of another colour puerly on the colour of their skin?
I'm an asian (Indian) ,born and raised in London and even though being 110% British I fear due to the recent climate regarding the aviation industry my skills and qualites may be overlooked due to the colour of my skin.
All comments appreciated
Thank you
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I am a Indian, however, born and bred in the UK, started my Aviation Career in Airline operations back in 1987.
Over the years since I gained my UK ATPL and now I am a Captain of a Jet Aircraft in the UK.
I have never been treated differently but was given alot of encouragement and support from people within the industry.
So keep at it get your licences and go for it!!!
At the end it will be your skill, knowledge and the person you are that will get you the job.
ADG
Over the years since I gained my UK ATPL and now I am a Captain of a Jet Aircraft in the UK.
I have never been treated differently but was given alot of encouragement and support from people within the industry.
So keep at it get your licences and go for it!!!
At the end it will be your skill, knowledge and the person you are that will get you the job.
ADG
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Based on my (very limited) knowledge, I doubt you are going to hit a problem with race. British/English/Mancurian friend of mine - who is also 1st generation Bangladeshi/"Asian British"/whatever is politically correct this week - went straight from integrated course with 200+ hours to CitiExpress (Dash 8) and then (within a few months) onto Britannia/ThomsonFly (767).
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Roy Boy, just to add my two cents worth, I too was born in the UK, but now live in the US and am a 7576 Captain for a major US airline. I have never encountered any racial discrimination at any airline I've worked for.... maybe it's because I don't look for it. If anyone ever had their doubts (and it's happened a couple of times over the last 25+ years) I've let my flying do the talking. I've met other pilots from Asia/Indian subcontinent, that were quick to blame the color of their skin for not getting on at a carrier, but I think their attitude towards life let them down. I must admit I did get a laugh once, when I was an F/O on a trip to London, and my Captain happened to be from Afghanistan, we sure did get some curious looks from our pax !! Good luck and happy landings in your career. FLCH
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If you believe you will discriminated against, you will be. If you believe you will go in and do your very best as an aviator, you will probably succeed. Our airline has every mix you can think of, we don't give a rats ass, as long as you can do the job.
Go in thinking your doing your very best, do your very best, lose any attitude you have, be nice, listen instead of talk, you'll do fine!
Remember, there are sphinctors from every nation in the world, just don't let them sphinct you!
Go in thinking your doing your very best, do your very best, lose any attitude you have, be nice, listen instead of talk, you'll do fine!
Remember, there are sphinctors from every nation in the world, just don't let them sphinct you!
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Hi RoyBoy and all you guys
I personnally have a different experience from most people on this thread, having worked mainly in third world countries. In these places, racism does take place more often than not on the job. On the one side you have companies for "locals" where you stand no chance as a white boy, and companies for "whites" where you'd better be of clear complexion... In both cases discrimination will take place during recruitment, upgrades and transition to larger airplanes. And in both cases it becomes hard to know when are these decisions taken based on ability, seniority, or race.
This is probably the best advice on the matter here. However it seems minority pilots often have to work twice as hard (or be twice as good) to get the same credit.
Anyways, my impression is you guys will be better off working in Europe, the USA, or any other place where people have gone beyond that race issue.
Good luck to yall.
-- TTF.
I personnally have a different experience from most people on this thread, having worked mainly in third world countries. In these places, racism does take place more often than not on the job. On the one side you have companies for "locals" where you stand no chance as a white boy, and companies for "whites" where you'd better be of clear complexion... In both cases discrimination will take place during recruitment, upgrades and transition to larger airplanes. And in both cases it becomes hard to know when are these decisions taken based on ability, seniority, or race.
If you believe you will discriminated against, you will be.
Anyways, my impression is you guys will be better off working in Europe, the USA, or any other place where people have gone beyond that race issue.
Good luck to yall.
-- TTF.
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The answer to the original question is no, and neither do they pick on the basis of flying skills - the criteria for a job are met by many, many people, and the reasons for picking one over the other are generally arbitary given that most would do the job to the same level.
Skin colour is generally as much of a hinderance or benefit as your flying record presuming you've arrived at interview.
Good luck!
Skin colour is generally as much of a hinderance or benefit as your flying record presuming you've arrived at interview.
Good luck!
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Re: Racial Discrimination
My two rupies would be, stick to your religion but get rid of the turban while on duty/work in any european airline. My company (major EU carrier) will not accept a turban or a beard this size for the cockpit for professional reasons, o2 mask,headset, passenger apperance(after 9/11 a very touchy issue), uniform code etc... Should be not problem on the job market, if you can step beyond these strange religious symbols and be a professional while at work, do whatever you like in privat-I would say this will keep you and everybody on a smooth ride.
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From: Beds
Re: Racial Discrimination
I'll try and be as civil as i can about the reply from CWS...........basically he's talking a load of B******s !....
What a contradiction of terms ! I wear a Turban and work for a "major" European Carrier and have never expereienced any problems with all my colleagues, including management who have had nothing but respect for me and my faith.
Be realistic there are people in this industry as well as others that do hold racist views, but as other posts have advised, stick to who you are, as you will be more respected and not be some partimer who wears a turban outside of work !
sp
stick to your religion but get rid of the turban while on duty/work in any european airline.
Be realistic there are people in this industry as well as others that do hold racist views, but as other posts have advised, stick to who you are, as you will be more respected and not be some partimer who wears a turban outside of work !
sp
