Ryanair
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Ryanair
General advice to all pilots who want to join Ryanair:
It's a rip off. I belong to a group of at least 40 pilots who have been totally grounded for an indefinite period of time.
Nobody from Ryaniar says anything, no info, nothing. There 's many people who's been waiting for at least 3 months already since they finished the type rating (not including Base training ) course and haven't finished yet the training. Maybe they are afraid of us to leave the company as soon as we get the type rating endorsed in our licenses.
No paying, nothing. We all feel totally abandoned.
Be prepared to pay for your uniforms, ID cards, and more things not mentioned on the interview.
They have agreements with SAS and CAE, so they need to keep sending people to this flight academies constantly regardless if they need or not more pilots, otherwise they loose money.
It's a business, they will fool you. Unfortunately I'm already in, and there's no step back for me, but please don't join them, they will pull your leg.
It's a rip off. I belong to a group of at least 40 pilots who have been totally grounded for an indefinite period of time.
Nobody from Ryaniar says anything, no info, nothing. There 's many people who's been waiting for at least 3 months already since they finished the type rating (not including Base training ) course and haven't finished yet the training. Maybe they are afraid of us to leave the company as soon as we get the type rating endorsed in our licenses.
No paying, nothing. We all feel totally abandoned.
Be prepared to pay for your uniforms, ID cards, and more things not mentioned on the interview.
They have agreements with SAS and CAE, so they need to keep sending people to this flight academies constantly regardless if they need or not more pilots, otherwise they loose money.
It's a business, they will fool you. Unfortunately I'm already in, and there's no step back for me, but please don't join them, they will pull your leg.
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From: Far East
Funnily enough I got exactly the same warning from a captain friend of mine when chatting about job hunting yesterday. He advised to steer clear of them. Unless you really don't care about money and have nothing better to do.
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From: England
For how long can an airline survive with a bad reputation? You constantly hear of these things with regards to Ryanair. Whilst it's true that people never complain about anything good. The number of bad experiences with Ryanair compared to other airlines remains a real eye-opener.
What to do?
What to do?
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From: Earth (just)
For how long can an airline survive with a bad reputation?
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From: europe
... you will have at least a type rating, so why don't you look for a job somewhere else??...you have signed a contract??
this contract is not valid, as they have already broken the agrement with you by grounding you.
as long they offer free ticket at 0.01 euro,why should they pay you?
be happy they dont charge you 50'000 euro for 500 hours, it is only 100 euro per hour. to fly on Boeing.
welcome in the real world, Neo!!!
(finish your training and ask them compensation for the time/ salary you have lost, but if I was you, I would look somwhere else)
this contract is not valid, as they have already broken the agrement with you by grounding you.
as long they offer free ticket at 0.01 euro,why should they pay you?
be happy they dont charge you 50'000 euro for 500 hours, it is only 100 euro per hour. to fly on Boeing.
welcome in the real world, Neo!!!
(finish your training and ask them compensation for the time/ salary you have lost, but if I was you, I would look somwhere else)
Last edited by A320rider; 7th November 2005 at 18:09.
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From: beverley
If everybody makes a stand and stops paying for type ratings this would no longer be a problem I reckon.
The few who can afford it are causing chaos for everyone else.
Surely the airlines would give in and start to pay for them again as i'm sure pilots would be more than happy to be bonded for a few years to cover it. I know that some Easyjet for example pay it back to you but that is not the point,they will only take the people willing to shell out up-front
The way I see it is thus:-
Pilot shortage
Lack of pilots availiable with spare £25k for type rating
Lack of funding availiable for wannabes since H.S.B.C not playing ball anymore
Once the supply of minted trainees/rich parents
dries up the airlines will have no choice
I hope so,I for one will not be able to afford a rating on anything bigger than a King Air
The few who can afford it are causing chaos for everyone else.
Surely the airlines would give in and start to pay for them again as i'm sure pilots would be more than happy to be bonded for a few years to cover it. I know that some Easyjet for example pay it back to you but that is not the point,they will only take the people willing to shell out up-front
The way I see it is thus:-
Pilot shortage
Lack of pilots availiable with spare £25k for type rating
Lack of funding availiable for wannabes since H.S.B.C not playing ball anymore
Once the supply of minted trainees/rich parents
dries up the airlines will have no choiceI hope so,I for one will not be able to afford a rating on anything bigger than a King Air
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Lack of funding availiable for wannabes since H.S.B.C not playing ball anymore
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From: Planet earth
hoi,
it is perhaps off-topic but it is a quit amazing how you can wait 3 years before having a job!! i'm applying now for about 8 months (about 300 letters) and i'm already desperate.
Good luck with your job wince
dboy
it is perhaps off-topic but it is a quit amazing how you can wait 3 years before having a job!! i'm applying now for about 8 months (about 300 letters) and i'm already desperate.
Good luck with your job wince
dboy
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From: Midlands
My first post and it's unfortunatley about Ryanair. I had a similar experience about paying for a type rating without any job offer. Luckily I queried it so I still have my money!!
Forgive the spelling......
Forgive the spelling......
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From: North London
Training
Im very sorry to hear all these stories. The problem in Ryanair these days is lack of linetrainers. Those training is doing a 24/24 hour job - many training for the fifth year without any "non-training" days - just to relax a bit. That makes the job as trainer in ryanair very unattractive - even the money is crab..... It is difficult for Ryanair to attract expirenced captains for the job - unfortunately this affect you guys - Im sorry...
I feel sorry for you, but as I see it - the trainers in Ryanair can't work any harder - they are giving all they can...
I feel sorry for you, but as I see it - the trainers in Ryanair can't work any harder - they are giving all they can...
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From: Mars
Re: Ryanair
Some things to weigh up in your mind if a person is considering Ryanair - given the endless chain of ill-remarks and negative stories are (in my opinion) as follows:
1.How badly do you want a job?
2.Can you find someone to "get you in there" for a shot at it i.e. a chance at a simcheck- CAE & SAS have 6,000 applications on-line - its word-of-mouth that gets the majority of guys a chance at a simcheck.
3. Are you willing to wait approx. 6 to9 months from passing a simcheck, interview to going on-line
4. Are you willing to forfeit alomst 35,000Euro for the whole lot
5. Are you willing to deal with endless feelings of the "unknown" all thru your type rating and line training regarding when the next stage will be i.e. guy have had to wait 3 months plus from completing the type rating to getting their base check
6. Are you willing to accept no pay while you train and do the basecheck and
7. Are you willing to wait a year to make a dime?
8. Are you exploring all the other airlines in the UK and Ireland, etc etc?
9. Once started, are you willing to put up with in an airline where the staff to management relationships breed disdain and negativity?
Just a few thoughs.
On the other hand, guys are willing to go thru all this happily just to make a start in their careers and finally get flying.
Hope 2006 will be more fruitful than 05!
1.How badly do you want a job?
2.Can you find someone to "get you in there" for a shot at it i.e. a chance at a simcheck- CAE & SAS have 6,000 applications on-line - its word-of-mouth that gets the majority of guys a chance at a simcheck.
3. Are you willing to wait approx. 6 to9 months from passing a simcheck, interview to going on-line
4. Are you willing to forfeit alomst 35,000Euro for the whole lot
5. Are you willing to deal with endless feelings of the "unknown" all thru your type rating and line training regarding when the next stage will be i.e. guy have had to wait 3 months plus from completing the type rating to getting their base check
6. Are you willing to accept no pay while you train and do the basecheck and
7. Are you willing to wait a year to make a dime?
8. Are you exploring all the other airlines in the UK and Ireland, etc etc?
9. Once started, are you willing to put up with in an airline where the staff to management relationships breed disdain and negativity?
Just a few thoughs.
On the other hand, guys are willing to go thru all this happily just to make a start in their careers and finally get flying.
Hope 2006 will be more fruitful than 05!
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From: Planet Earth
Re: Ryanair
I also heard that you can be contract direct by Ryanair or you can join the airline being contracted via Brooksfield Aviation , in this second case , you even don't need to have work permition in the UK , they get it for ya , but otherwise thay say that in this case , u don't have a fixed base. They change your base almost every month and don't pay any kind of home allowence. The good thing about is that u can do more money joining Ryan this way.