Ryanair

[Dirty Harry 76]

Re: Ryanair

Arans

you dont even need to have work permission in the UK, they get it for ya

Please explain this? You mean FR are now employing Asylem seekers! No wounder there are so many wanabees unemployed in Europe if the EU is willing to throw open the doors to anyone no matter where they are in the world?

And on the Brookfield contract, unless you have a copy in your hand, I think you will find its not exactly as good as you assume. Do a search on PPrune.

[Arans]

Re: Ryanair

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry 76

Arans
Please explain this? You mean FR are now employing Asylem seekers! No wounder there are so many wanabees unemployed in Europe if the EU is willing to throw open the doors to anyone no matter where they are in the world?.

It's what I heard man , I'm not sure this is true , but I know there's quite a few non-EU citizens flying for some EU Airlines , why EU allows something like that with so many EU citizens unemployed , I don't know !

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry 76

And on the Brookfield contract, unless you have a copy in your hand, I think you will find its not exactly as good as you assume. Do a search on PPrune.

Since the search opition is no longer avaliable at PPrune can u explain what u mean with that about Brookfield ?

[Fun-gi-pilot]

What are you guys complaining about. I'm from Africa and would love to be employed in an EU member state. I'm so tired of seeing you skanks taking contract work in Africa, whilst our pilots sit unemployed as a result. But here in Africa it seems fine for you guys to join our contracts and take work away from guys who are sitting on the ground, so that you can build hours.

[brownstar]

Re: Ryanair

fun gi pilot

There are loads of people recruiting, why don't you try one of them. If you don't like sitting in Africa wishing you could fly for an EU company, then do something about it. Don,t sit there and tell us that you are fed up listening to the whinging of EU pilots. If you think it's desirable to end up in huge amounts of debt, which you can only pay back by flying, given the promise of working, but then not to get it. have to work initially on very little pay for a long period when you do eventually get flying... then come to us.
Is exactly where the management want you.....it's not the career that you think it is..

[Arans]

Let´s remember that there´s a lot of european pilots flying all around the World , such as Caribean , Asia and Middle East , so I think it´s fare that north americans , south americans , africans and so can fly in Europe.

[Wizofoz]

Arans,

It don't matter what's fair, it matters what's legal!!!

If you don't have right of abode in the EU, you don't work here! Same as no green card no work in the US.

[coitus interuptus]

Wiz, that is not correct. It may apply in the UK but in many other countries (in the EU and around the world) it does not. This right of abode garbage is just that. A bunch of primadonas on their high horse I suggest. There are ex- pats everywhere in nearly every country I have been to. If you have a qualification the host country wants , then you satisfy the requirement to live and work there. As simple as that. The global village is a small place these days. Lets keep it simple and dismantle these disgusting attitudes toward foreign workers.

[Wizofoz]

If you have a qualification the host country wants ,

Coitus,

True to an extent but Airline Pilot doesn't count as such a qualification in either the EU or the USA. I am allowed to live and work here because I inherited citizenship from my Father, but many many equally qualified Aussies who don't have recent ancesral links can't, and the only way I could work in the states is if I won a green card lottery.

True you can work in places like Asia as they can't supply enough of their own pilots, but in many places only as a contractor,and there even in places like Singapore, where there are LOADS of ex-pats, there is a definate push towards positive discrimination towards locals.

Governments will always look afer the interests of their own citizens first. Sure if having a foreiner working in your country is in your national interest you will let them, but only if there isn't a local to do it first.

I'm not saying that it's right or fair (though it's understandable) but it is still very much the way of the wirld.

[biplaneman]

Can it be so bad

Getting initial experience as FO on type has hiccups with any airline. Once you have a few hundred hours under your belt on 737, can it be as bad as you make it?

[Norman Stanley Fletcher]

I am sorry to disagree with Coitus, but wizofox is exactly right. The 'global village' argument just does not stand up to examination. If you go to the Middle or Far East where they employ ex-pat pilots, you are openly treated as a second-class citizen who is only there until the day they can train their own people - and then you are history. We should not under any circumstances be employing non-EU nationals as pilots in Europe, and have absolutely no moral or legal obligation to do so. The employment of ex-pat pilots in other corners of the world is 100% driven by the need of the countries involved - they are not doing it as a favour as part of an old boy network. We in Europe have no need whatsoever to hire pilots from outside - there are literally thousands of unemployed but employable pilots out there.

The fact is that all these airlines want something for nothing in the form of type-rated pilots without having to pay a penny towards their training. These guys are increasingly like gold dust and the low cost airlines, where most of the expansion is these days, have to take some responsibility for puting their would-be pilots through the appropriate training courses. Training costs and they have to accept that it is incumbent upon would-be employers to foot some of the bill.

[Arans]

I really don't agree... Some of those airlines do pay for the foreing pilots' trainning. I think it's really a need to contract experienced pilots with type-rating. You just can't contract a lot of unexperienced pilots in a fast-growing airline like Ryan for example. You need to mix it and as I see it's not easy to find it nowadays in Europe. And there's another stuff , must european pilots just use those airlines like Ryan to get experience and then they leave it to a better place. So is their fault too...
You just can't state that what happens in Middle and Far East is different from what is happening in Europe.
You can't say that european pilots are not well treated in those foreing airlines , do you have any idea how those pilots are treated at Emirates , for example ??? I can tell you that is very very well... better than they were in their homelands !

[BusBoy]

Originally Posted by Arans

You can't say that european pilots are not well treated in those foreing airlines , do you have any idea how those pilots are treated at Emirates , for example ??? I can tell you that is very very well... better than they were in their homelands !

you have got to be joking? All sounds rosy indeed but the honeymoon period wears off very quickly, out of 22 ex-pat individuals I know in ME and Asia there is only 1 that is happy.
And wait until you try to leave Emirates............ then the fun starts!