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Just a few simple things would make easy a good place to stay....but as long as the management dont want it to be a place to stay I dont think there is anything we can do about it...
They rather take pilots who pays for there typerating and stay 3 years and then they move on because they arent happy...
As I said it wouldent take much...
The latest offer I heard from the paydeal is that we lose the crewfood and get 2% payrise and 7% on the pension....talk about insult!!!!
These are suppose to be the good times, I wonder what Mr Webster and Mr Winter are getting for leaving bonus....
They rather take pilots who pays for there typerating and stay 3 years and then they move on because they arent happy...
As I said it wouldent take much...
The latest offer I heard from the paydeal is that we lose the crewfood and get 2% payrise and 7% on the pension....talk about insult!!!!
These are suppose to be the good times, I wonder what Mr Webster and Mr Winter are getting for leaving bonus....
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If what you say flywin is true or not I have no idea, but as you say its just rumors so lets not dig the graves just yet....
However, I sincerely hope that BALPA will turn down any deal that is not a truly good one. We do have a problem with low BALPA representation in EZY but it should be enough to pull some weight when negotiating...in the mean time, IF YOU ARE NOT IN BALPA THEN ITS TIME TO JOIN!
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If we could gain ANYTHING by getting rid of the crew food, then I say DO IT! I have heard that at some bases the catering comp provide crew food for FREE, as part of the deal to get the contract with ezy, SO you are paying for food that was given to ezy...
No wonder the food is C##P!!
However, I sincerely hope that BALPA will turn down any deal that is not a truly good one. We do have a problem with low BALPA representation in EZY but it should be enough to pull some weight when negotiating...in the mean time, IF YOU ARE NOT IN BALPA THEN ITS TIME TO JOIN!
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If we could gain ANYTHING by getting rid of the crew food, then I say DO IT! I have heard that at some bases the catering comp provide crew food for FREE, as part of the deal to get the contract with ezy, SO you are paying for food that was given to ezy... No wonder the food is C##P!!
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its just rumors so lets not dig the graves just yet
Are you 100% certain you are correct about what you say with regard to crew food? I think not so stick to facts!
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"It's a pity that you don't follow your own advice Captain Prop
Are you 100% certain you are correct about what you say with regard to crew food? I think not so stick to facts!"
NO, Im not 100% certain!! I did say "I have heard that...." did I not?? Did not say that this was the case..... And I DO believe that there is some truth to this crew food deal....at the UK bases anyway....But if it makes you feel better, I might be wrong! Oh, and by the way, how do YOU know for sure(100%)??
As far as my comment on flywin...I did not say he was wrong, right or anything in between....another way of saying "Hang in there! There is still hope!" Until the results are made official perhaps its a good idea to keep it positive, as positive as possible, and try to persuade our colleagues to join BALPA and give us some weight when negotiating....
Relax bro, this is a rumour network!!
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Are you 100% certain you are correct about what you say with regard to crew food? I think not so stick to facts!"
NO, Im not 100% certain!! I did say "I have heard that...." did I not?? Did not say that this was the case..... And I DO believe that there is some truth to this crew food deal....at the UK bases anyway....But if it makes you feel better, I might be wrong! Oh, and by the way, how do YOU know for sure(100%)??
As far as my comment on flywin...I did not say he was wrong, right or anything in between....another way of saying "Hang in there! There is still hope!" Until the results are made official perhaps its a good idea to keep it positive, as positive as possible, and try to persuade our colleagues to join BALPA and give us some weight when negotiating....
Relax bro, this is a rumour network!!
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I also heard the rumour about crew food. According to the T&G rep it costs the company about Ģ5m a year - their figures not mine. No wonder they're keen to get rid. Frankley I'd rather have the money.
However,if the rest of the deal is as the grape vine has it - it most definately sucks! I too see more people joining BALPA to have a say (I'm one of them) and if there's any truth in what we've all heard my cross is definately in the NO box.
All power to the CC, donkey jackets, Che t-shirts, burning braziers and placards at the ready
Viva la revolution
However,if the rest of the deal is as the grape vine has it - it most definately sucks! I too see more people joining BALPA to have a say (I'm one of them) and if there's any truth in what we've all heard my cross is definately in the NO box.
All power to the CC, donkey jackets, Che t-shirts, burning braziers and placards at the ready
Viva la revolution
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As has rightly been stated by many, this is only a rumour network - the truth will appear later. In the mean time it is important that we all keep our powder dry and wait to see what actually appears. Like many of us have been saying, this is the moment to join BALPA and have your say. If you do not like what is being offered (and if what is being written here is true then none of us will!), you can vote against it.
The choice to join BALPA is a personal one. If, however, you do not join, please do not so much as raise a whimper anytime, anywhere to anyone about any aspect of your terms and conditions - the only person to blame will be yourself!
The choice to join BALPA is a personal one. If, however, you do not join, please do not so much as raise a whimper anytime, anywhere to anyone about any aspect of your terms and conditions - the only person to blame will be yourself!
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I hope you guys and girls at EZY can get your act together as otherwise and with no disrespect to anyone, it is quite pathetic. Easy has been in existance for 10 years, is one of the largest, profitable airlines in Europe and still enjoys some of the lowest terms and conditions in the industry.
Just look at your collegues in the UK charter industry such as BY, MON, TCX, MYT and FCA
Crew Food
Uniforms for free
Cleaning vouchers for uniform
Company pension contributions of 15% on basic salaries which is far in excess of EZY's (with pay scales approx Capt 68k - 100k, plus flight pay)
Private Health Insurance (PHI)
Private Medical Insurance
800 hours per year, which amounts to roughly 12-14 short haul trips per month in summer (less with longaul) and 6 in the winter.
Discounted package holidays
Interline agreements with most airlines for staff travel
Annual leave of around 37-46 days
So come on, it's all very well getting a quick command, but it's about time you enjoyed life aswell!
Just look at your collegues in the UK charter industry such as BY, MON, TCX, MYT and FCA
Crew Food
Uniforms for free
Cleaning vouchers for uniform
Company pension contributions of 15% on basic salaries which is far in excess of EZY's (with pay scales approx Capt 68k - 100k, plus flight pay)
Private Health Insurance (PHI)
Private Medical Insurance
800 hours per year, which amounts to roughly 12-14 short haul trips per month in summer (less with longaul) and 6 in the winter.
Discounted package holidays
Interline agreements with most airlines for staff travel
Annual leave of around 37-46 days
So come on, it's all very well getting a quick command, but it's about time you enjoyed life aswell!
well at least we know the truth now . Offer is1.5% now followed by 1.2% in April . Nothing on the pension un-less we give up eating at work end even then only 2% .
If you want a european base or have one then sorry no payrise for you , not only that all new european hires will be on local terms not uk contract .
Could it get any worse ?
All you non-members out there , you must join now . Forget abiut BALPA in the past . The here and now is what matters . We have a great CC in EZY at the mo' .The CC are totally opposed to this deal ,only with your support can something better be brought to the table .
If you want a european base or have one then sorry no payrise for you , not only that all new european hires will be on local terms not uk contract .
Could it get any worse ?
All you non-members out there , you must join now . Forget abiut BALPA in the past . The here and now is what matters . We have a great CC in EZY at the mo' .The CC are totally opposed to this deal ,only with your support can something better be brought to the table .
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Nil Further - you are so right. If any non-BALPA members are reading this, you need to become a member today. This offer would be laughable if it was not serious. It constitutes a pay cut for all pilots but an even bigger one for those based outside the UK.
I have only recently re-joined BALPA having been totally disillusioned with them in the past. Whatever your past experiences have been - put it behind you. It is absolutely vital that you join now and decide to join us in what will be a difficult but winnable fight. We simply must have your support.
I have only recently re-joined BALPA having been totally disillusioned with them in the past. Whatever your past experiences have been - put it behind you. It is absolutely vital that you join now and decide to join us in what will be a difficult but winnable fight. We simply must have your support.
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My first posting on Pprune, because I feel so strongly about this subject.
I could not vote against the 5/2/5/4 as I was not a member of BALPA.
The minority voted and the majority are suffering the consequences.
I have now joined BALPA as I am not prepared to have my life downgraded further without being able to fight for what I believe is right.
I have just read the insulting offer from the Company and would urge every non BALPA member of the airline to join.
We have a new cc and if we back them, as I believe they will try and back us, united we can endeavour to stop the rot.
EZY has the potential to be an excellent airline and rather than leave because I am dissatisfied, I would rather try to influence the future in a positive way for the benefit of us all.
I could not vote against the 5/2/5/4 as I was not a member of BALPA.
The minority voted and the majority are suffering the consequences.
I have now joined BALPA as I am not prepared to have my life downgraded further without being able to fight for what I believe is right.
I have just read the insulting offer from the Company and would urge every non BALPA member of the airline to join.
We have a new cc and if we back them, as I believe they will try and back us, united we can endeavour to stop the rot.
EZY has the potential to be an excellent airline and rather than leave because I am dissatisfied, I would rather try to influence the future in a positive way for the benefit of us all.
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To all Non Members..
Now is the time to join balpa. We have a good new CC, they have bravely rejected the pathetic and insulting offer. Now is the time to get behind them and give them our full support.
This time we WILL get the deal that we all deserve!.
Don't hesitate.... JOIN BALPA TOMORROW
Now is the time to join balpa. We have a good new CC, they have bravely rejected the pathetic and insulting offer. Now is the time to get behind them and give them our full support.
This time we WILL get the deal that we all deserve!.
Don't hesitate.... JOIN BALPA TOMORROW
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Here! Here!
Totally agree the more members we have the more we can bully the company into giving us what we derserve for a change.
From reading th balpa website the old CC seemed to accept whatever was put on the table, this new CC looks like it's not going to take any Bu!!sh!te from the company they have already told them in their words that everything the company has put on the table is totally unacceptable.
Now you non members join Balpa and give the CC more bargaining power instead of going into work and moaning about everything.
I'll repeat what I said earlier the so called career airlines have only got good terms and conditions because they have a high Balpa membership fighting for them not because their career airline wants to pay really well, because if they could they would lower the terms and condiotions in a heartbeat.
So instead of moaning join Balpa and make a difference.
Totally agree the more members we have the more we can bully the company into giving us what we derserve for a change.
From reading th balpa website the old CC seemed to accept whatever was put on the table, this new CC looks like it's not going to take any Bu!!sh!te from the company they have already told them in their words that everything the company has put on the table is totally unacceptable.
Now you non members join Balpa and give the CC more bargaining power instead of going into work and moaning about everything.
I'll repeat what I said earlier the so called career airlines have only got good terms and conditions because they have a high Balpa membership fighting for them not because their career airline wants to pay really well, because if they could they would lower the terms and condiotions in a heartbeat.
So instead of moaning join Balpa and make a difference.
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Absolutely! If we don't fight now we might as well resign ourselves to being shafted every year.
All that C**p in the 10 year book about people being our greatest asset. Ezy could be a great airline but only if we stop the rot and start going forward.
Yes,yes, yes join BALPA now. Start spreading the word in the crewrooms today. Now is not the time for excuses!
All that C**p in the 10 year book about people being our greatest asset. Ezy could be a great airline but only if we stop the rot and start going forward.
Yes,yes, yes join BALPA now. Start spreading the word in the crewrooms today. Now is not the time for excuses!
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Pleased to see that MS has deceided to send us a letter explaining in very reasonable terms that the company can not afford a payrise cos they've c0cked up so much, so far this year that we're all just greedy.
So to all out there, don't join BALPA, support the company at this difficult time and you will be justly rewarded. Just in time to say goodbye to our chief pilot, followed by the other hundreds who are/ are going to/ will leave soon.
Just take my advice - accept the current excellent offer. I'm leaving anyway...............toodle pip
So to all out there, don't join BALPA, support the company at this difficult time and you will be justly rewarded. Just in time to say goodbye to our chief pilot, followed by the other hundreds who are/ are going to/ will leave soon.
Just take my advice - accept the current excellent offer. I'm leaving anyway...............toodle pip
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Pleased to see that MS has deceided to send us a letter explaining in very reasonable terms that the company can not afford a payrise cos they've c0cked up so much, so far this year that we're all just greedy.
In this email he even admits that BA makes more money per seat flown than SleazyJet (a "low cost airline") so itīs about time some heads start to roll with management!
The letter is a disgrace.
It starts by saying that we will get a rise equivalent to an RPI of 2.7% pa.
It explains the 1.5% for 6 months followed by the 1.2% for 6 months.
It does not say that this equates to 2.1% pa.
In fact it says that in 12 months time we will be earning 2.7% more, which is the same as RPI.
Do they assume that none of us can do O-Level maths? We can fly a 737/319 but not do percentages.
It starts by saying that we will get a rise equivalent to an RPI of 2.7% pa.
It explains the 1.5% for 6 months followed by the 1.2% for 6 months.
It does not say that this equates to 2.1% pa.
In fact it says that in 12 months time we will be earning 2.7% more, which is the same as RPI.
Do they assume that none of us can do O-Level maths? We can fly a 737/319 but not do percentages.
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What is more he has now raised the spectre of local salaries.
Here in London we'll be ok but if you're in the regions be prepared.
People in NCL, EDI, GLA, BFS, LPL, BRS, EMA can all expect lower salaries for doing the same job as the cost of living is substantially lower (alledgedly). Not to mention pilots at DTM, SXF and ORY.
Join BALPA to stop this crap. Our crew costs are 2.1% lower than Ryanairs so it's not us that is causing the problem.
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You've got an awful lot to lose if this goes through. Can you afford not to be in BALPA?!?!
Here in London we'll be ok but if you're in the regions be prepared.
People in NCL, EDI, GLA, BFS, LPL, BRS, EMA can all expect lower salaries for doing the same job as the cost of living is substantially lower (alledgedly). Not to mention pilots at DTM, SXF and ORY.
Join BALPA to stop this crap. Our crew costs are 2.1% lower than Ryanairs so it's not us that is causing the problem.
Join BALPA
Join BALPA
Join BALPA
You've got an awful lot to lose if this goes through. Can you afford not to be in BALPA?!?!
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I appreciate what your saying GNL, however I disagree strongly.
Firstly this is still a negotiation. The company have sent us a letter stating the reasons for their current offer. BALPA have done their research too.
An agreement will be forthcoming, of that I'm sure. It just depends how much resolve we wish to use to achieve a deal we are happy with.
Nobody wants to send the company bust but neither are we willing to be taken advantage of. The managers also do not want the company to go bust and are not going be stubborn enough to let it. Remember they are accountable to shareholders etc etc. The latest letter from MS is purely to scare us, a bit of spin if you like. He's omitted quite a lot from it and if he was to brief the shareholders with that attitude we woudln't have any.
A deal has to be agreeable to both sides. So far what has been offered is agreeable to one side only. They are giving us nothing. What they give with one hand they are taking away with the other. From our side of the fence our productivity has gone up on average 8% with nothing to show for it.
Their is a risk in everything, the next stage is brinkmanship. He who breaks first loses. The question is will the management let the company go bust for the sake of around 3.5% on salary and 3% on pension? It's not as if we're being greedy. We would just like to be paid the average market wage.
Adopting your philosophy will have us being paid very poorly whilst our managers get paid huge bonuses for profit in the company that we will not get a share in.
Firstly this is still a negotiation. The company have sent us a letter stating the reasons for their current offer. BALPA have done their research too.
An agreement will be forthcoming, of that I'm sure. It just depends how much resolve we wish to use to achieve a deal we are happy with.
Nobody wants to send the company bust but neither are we willing to be taken advantage of. The managers also do not want the company to go bust and are not going be stubborn enough to let it. Remember they are accountable to shareholders etc etc. The latest letter from MS is purely to scare us, a bit of spin if you like. He's omitted quite a lot from it and if he was to brief the shareholders with that attitude we woudln't have any.
A deal has to be agreeable to both sides. So far what has been offered is agreeable to one side only. They are giving us nothing. What they give with one hand they are taking away with the other. From our side of the fence our productivity has gone up on average 8% with nothing to show for it.
Their is a risk in everything, the next stage is brinkmanship. He who breaks first loses. The question is will the management let the company go bust for the sake of around 3.5% on salary and 3% on pension? It's not as if we're being greedy. We would just like to be paid the average market wage.
Adopting your philosophy will have us being paid very poorly whilst our managers get paid huge bonuses for profit in the company that we will not get a share in.
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Personally I have always been 'anti' BALPA and I speak to many who havent had a good experience, but I think this is the only representative body now and one we must support if we are to get anything from a company which I am willing to give to..but not for no reward.
I cancelled my subscription to BALPA after the 'free' student period expired as both my father and many of his collegues agreed BALPA got paid a lot of money for doing very little. Indeed it is our company council that work on our behalf for no extra pay and use BALPA's 'framework' for support. We need to support them by joining, not BALPA.
I think this latest offer for many is the last straw. I know many are happy at easyJet and they gave me and many others their first break but I have no romantic affiliation to them because as they are demonstrating now, they hold their pilot workforce and indeed the cabin crew in disregard and as an annoying expense and one they seem only to happy to lose. RW's speech to the cabin crew on their graduation sums it all up 'I dont expect you to be here in 2 years..'
The 10 year book was the biggest piece of propaganda even the WWII propaganda office would have been proud of, and as for my 10 year present from easyJet, well they can have it..(or at least someone on eBay for both..)
We always get thank you emails from Mike et al saying 'Thanks for your patience and professionalism at a time of operational disruption' yet they dont seem to reward us financially, in fact we get an overall net pay cut, and loss of T & C's. I dont want to lose crew food for a percentage increase in Pension..infact I dont want to lose anything..Not when we are not cocking up and losing money as pilots. We do our job and get recognition for that by a thank you email. I pass my sim-checks, dont crash planes and dont go 'sick' despite a leave system which is quite frankly a joke. Any other manager would get a bonus for his hard work, what do we get..the offer of a net pay cut.
I am sorry but if fuel is costing so much I am not willing to subsidise the passengers by taking a pay cut because easyJet is unwilling to pass on increasing fuel costs, which every airline is having to pay, onto its customers..
Do we really need a 'Step Change Implementation Manager' and all the other titles I hear coming out of easyLand in the glossy sheets sent to my home address telling me about how all is well and good but we need to be taking less and less fuel, but we are still safety concious? Ryanair operate more aircraft on half the staff so I would be looking closer to home rather than pi$$ing off those on the coalface who do their jobs..
For me I have just rejoined BALPA today as has at least one other person I know and I just hope we can stop this persistant degredation of T & C's before it is too late. I am quite happy at easyJet, I love the Airbus and if I was still on the 737 I would be actively applying to Ryanair now, at least I could take the same crap with another 1k in my pocket rather than the 'our people are our number one asset but we still treat you like turd' attitude.
I think it is simple. Rejoin BALPA, take the cheap initial fee and see how it goes for a year if things are the same then yeh, leave disgruntled again but at least we can show our little bit of support. I know pilots are a spineless bunch at the best of times but this could be such a better place with a bit of pressure the other way for a change rather than whinging in the cruise and not doing anything about it.
I cancelled my subscription to BALPA after the 'free' student period expired as both my father and many of his collegues agreed BALPA got paid a lot of money for doing very little. Indeed it is our company council that work on our behalf for no extra pay and use BALPA's 'framework' for support. We need to support them by joining, not BALPA.
I think this latest offer for many is the last straw. I know many are happy at easyJet and they gave me and many others their first break but I have no romantic affiliation to them because as they are demonstrating now, they hold their pilot workforce and indeed the cabin crew in disregard and as an annoying expense and one they seem only to happy to lose. RW's speech to the cabin crew on their graduation sums it all up 'I dont expect you to be here in 2 years..'
The 10 year book was the biggest piece of propaganda even the WWII propaganda office would have been proud of, and as for my 10 year present from easyJet, well they can have it..(or at least someone on eBay for both..)
We always get thank you emails from Mike et al saying 'Thanks for your patience and professionalism at a time of operational disruption' yet they dont seem to reward us financially, in fact we get an overall net pay cut, and loss of T & C's. I dont want to lose crew food for a percentage increase in Pension..infact I dont want to lose anything..Not when we are not cocking up and losing money as pilots. We do our job and get recognition for that by a thank you email. I pass my sim-checks, dont crash planes and dont go 'sick' despite a leave system which is quite frankly a joke. Any other manager would get a bonus for his hard work, what do we get..the offer of a net pay cut.
I am sorry but if fuel is costing so much I am not willing to subsidise the passengers by taking a pay cut because easyJet is unwilling to pass on increasing fuel costs, which every airline is having to pay, onto its customers..
Do we really need a 'Step Change Implementation Manager' and all the other titles I hear coming out of easyLand in the glossy sheets sent to my home address telling me about how all is well and good but we need to be taking less and less fuel, but we are still safety concious? Ryanair operate more aircraft on half the staff so I would be looking closer to home rather than pi$$ing off those on the coalface who do their jobs..
For me I have just rejoined BALPA today as has at least one other person I know and I just hope we can stop this persistant degredation of T & C's before it is too late. I am quite happy at easyJet, I love the Airbus and if I was still on the 737 I would be actively applying to Ryanair now, at least I could take the same crap with another 1k in my pocket rather than the 'our people are our number one asset but we still treat you like turd' attitude.
I think it is simple. Rejoin BALPA, take the cheap initial fee and see how it goes for a year if things are the same then yeh, leave disgruntled again but at least we can show our little bit of support. I know pilots are a spineless bunch at the best of times but this could be such a better place with a bit of pressure the other way for a change rather than whinging in the cruise and not doing anything about it.