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Ryanair hires FAA/ US B737 Captains via Brooksfield (merged)

Old 12th Jul 2005, 18:30
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Question Ryanair hires FAA/ US B737 Captains via Brooksfield

Well it speaks for itself.......

Ryanair is getting desperate as it seems. How they arrange work permits for US pilots is a complete mystery to me?


From the job section of FI.

737 Captains to fly in Europe
Miami Sim assessments/interviews


Quote: We already have a number of pilots booked into the simulator in Miami to be assessed and interviewed to join us to work in bases in Europe for Europe's largest and most succesfull low cost carrier.We still do however require a few more Captains current within the last 5 years on the 737 EFIS or N/G. Those Captains with experience only on the EFIS models of the 737 will benefit from moving on to the NG at no cost to themselves. Other very experienced Captains with time on other heavy jet aircraft will be offered the opportunity to take a self financed type rating courrse to fly the NG. All contracts offered are for a 5 year duration, and this opportunity offers the rare chance for Captains on this side of the Atlantic to fly and live in Europe. FAA licences are acceptable for initial validation and all pilots will need to work toward gaining their JAR licence which can be succesfully achieved within 6-9 months. Work permits can be granted and advise given on achieving this. We are looking for a large number of Captains at this stage - please note those who have already replied will be on the schedule and will be informed within the next 48 hours.
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Old 12th Jul 2005, 18:37
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well, well,well, can MOL really bend the rules that much?

Thought you couldn't fly a JAA registered airplane without the correct licence. This implies that the IAA are rather spineless.

I know of guys who have applied to Ryanair, withn the correct ratings and not heard a dickie bird.

Can I go fly in the US please?
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Old 12th Jul 2005, 18:48
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Why are you surprised? Air Atlanta Iclandic have been getting validations for years, for pilots to fly JAR registered A/C and will continue to do so for the forseeable future.

Yes the JAA are spineless and operators are taking advantage.

Would a JAR licenced pilot get a validation to fly a US registed A/C? Like hell.

Would that same pilot get a work permit to work in the US if he required it? Never!

It's the old story, Europe or anything to do with it are weak and always will be.

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Old 12th Jul 2005, 18:51
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Thought you couldn't fly a JAA registered airplane without the correct licence. This implies that the IAA are rather spineless.
Did you miss the sentence in the article that specificaly deals with that?

FAA licences are acceptable for initial validation and all pilots will need to work toward gaining their JAR licence which can be succesfully achieved within 6-9 months.

Seems perfectly reasonable to me. I've heard of FAA licensed pilots getting a 6 or 12 month temporary grant to fly European Aircraft.... I think an assessment including simulator checks and written papers is required. Not absolutely sure of that and this info is second hand.
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Old 12th Jul 2005, 19:10
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And the IAA is not spineless but the country that allows these work permits is!
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Old 12th Jul 2005, 19:15
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I can't wait for the opportunity to take a self financed type rating....what a weiner.
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Old 12th Jul 2005, 21:02
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Heard it all before. Last year DOB was telling us to behave or we could be replaced by people only looking for $1000 a month. Appearently there were plenty of people that would kill for our jobs. First the new EU states had pilots desperate to join, then the Russians were coming, then all the ex-volaire, next the hungarians and now the Americans. Needless to say the promised floods never arrived. The tide has turned and by Jan Ryanair will have serious crewing problems. A clear case of you reap what you sow.
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Old 12th Jul 2005, 21:17
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What do you think is the problem to get a five year work permit in Europe? This is not the U.S.

Once the company you are employed with sends a fax to the passport authority everything is set. (At least for specialized jobs). Prolongation works exactly the same. My airline has employeed ground staff from the U.S. for many many years here in the center of Europe. Never had a problem.
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Old 12th Jul 2005, 23:04
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At a recent recruitment Day I met a number of South American 737-200 rated Captains who had been promised work permits and validations, which suprised me as Ryanair had said in the past that "Under no circumstances would they apply for work permits".
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And the IAA is not spineless but the country that allows these work permits is!
That would be ireland then!
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Old 13th Jul 2005, 07:07
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Now, would this not be something for REPA and IALPA to have serious look at?
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Old 13th Jul 2005, 08:13
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"Those Captains with experience only on the EFIS models of the 737 will benefit from moving on to the NG at no cost to themselves. Other very experienced Captains"

can't see what all the fuss is about, these are experienced captains with transferable knowledge and skills competing in a global industry and a global profession- they are people who have worked hard to get the qualifications - why should they be prevented from doing what they can do just because of the green eyed monster of greed, envy and self serving protectionism ?
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Old 13th Jul 2005, 08:35
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Whilst I have no problem with transfer of profession within the world,it would be nice if it were a level playing field. I feel a little miffed when I cant get a job in France, Germany, Holland, Spain, New Zealand, Australia, USA and have to scratch for a living whilst natives of the aforementoned countries seem to have no problem in UK/Ireland. Whlst life isnt fair in general, it would be nice, in the face of the largest global migration, if it went more than one way!!!
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I second that wingandprayer!!

hit the nail on the head
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Old 13th Jul 2005, 08:49
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What's this tripe about work permits? How many people from Ireland and the UK work in the US? And before I get savaged, I said people - not pilots. Are you seriously suggesting it doesn't or shouldn't work both ways? And that countries who do are spineless?!! The words tree, wrong, barking, and up in a different order spring to mind.
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totally agree wing and prayer.
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Old 13th Jul 2005, 10:07
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Bear11, the question of allowing professional or skilled jobs to be recruited abroad is a completely different one to allowing casual labourers to work on building sites or in restaurants.
I think both US and Irish Immigration agree on this - employers are restricted in obtaining work visas by having to show they cannot recruit locally for the position offerred.

How hard has FR tried to recruit pilots? Are they offerring market T&C's?

This has nothing to do with immigration policy, and everything to do with union busting.
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Old 13th Jul 2005, 10:09
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Bear11. Non-pilot US and EU citizens working in each others countries are fine. It can be done by both sides relatively easily.

But you'll find no EU pilots getting 5 year contracts in the USA even if they were available......very protectionist. We must do the same in Europe until the playing field is levelled.
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Old 13th Jul 2005, 10:11
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Are these pilots not going to cost rather a lot? To attract an experienced 737 captain, a US citizen, to another country, plus Brookfields' cut is gonna be
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This might seem like a daft question, but whilst I accept that the Irish Government can issue a work permit for someone to work in Ireland, can they issue a work permit for someone to live and work at Stansted or in another EU country or are they only recruitng USA nationals for the Dublin base?
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