How hard do you work?
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 119
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From: UK
JUL 05
Operator: FCA (Recruiting now!)
Fleet: A320
Base: UK (one a/c base hence more stable than larger base)
Block: 68 hrs
Duty: 131:40
Days away from base: 0
Days off: 11
Days Standby (90 mins avail, rarely called): 6
Roster stability: Last change 2 months ago
Weekends off: 0
Deep night flights: 4 (I would like to see "you have great job" posse doing some of these!)
Wild parties down route: Started commercial flying in Feb 99 and still waiting!
Bank balance after 6 years in commercial flying: -£42,000 - we dont get paid doing our training unlike the accountants.
Enjoy the job: Yes - Coz I like flying!
Operator: FCA (Recruiting now!)
Fleet: A320
Base: UK (one a/c base hence more stable than larger base)
Block: 68 hrs
Duty: 131:40
Days away from base: 0
Days off: 11
Days Standby (90 mins avail, rarely called): 6
Roster stability: Last change 2 months ago
Weekends off: 0
Deep night flights: 4 (I would like to see "you have great job" posse doing some of these!)
Wild parties down route: Started commercial flying in Feb 99 and still waiting!
Bank balance after 6 years in commercial flying: -£42,000 - we dont get paid doing our training unlike the accountants.
Enjoy the job: Yes - Coz I like flying!
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 1,432
Likes: 0
From: Dre's mum's house
AUG 2005
Operator: TUI Belgium
Fleet: F100
Base: BRU
Flight Time: 98.56
Duty Time: A tad more
Sectors: 36
Days away from Base: 0
Days Off: 13
Roster Stability: Total
Tired? Only at the end of a long day
Operator: TUI Belgium
Fleet: F100
Base: BRU
Flight Time: 98.56
Duty Time: A tad more
Sectors: 36
Days away from Base: 0
Days Off: 13
Roster Stability: Total
Tired? Only at the end of a long day
Last edited by The Real Slim Shady; 11th August 2005 at 13:29.
Thread Starter
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 125
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From: Dirty Sands
Here's what August holds for me:
AUG 2005
Operator: JK
Fleet: A320
Base: PMI
Flight Time: 75:00 (+12:40 deadhead)
Duty Time: 115:35
Days Away from Base (i.e. layovers/night stops): 11
Stand By: 1
Days Off: 10 (+5 days rest)
Roster stability: Good so far. Not too sure about Aug, though.
AUG 2005
Operator: JK
Fleet: A320
Base: PMI
Flight Time: 75:00 (+12:40 deadhead)
Duty Time: 115:35
Days Away from Base (i.e. layovers/night stops): 11
Stand By: 1
Days Off: 10 (+5 days rest)
Roster stability: Good so far. Not too sure about Aug, though.
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 372
Likes: 0
From: Dohacity
Operator: Qatar Airways
Fleet: A330
Base: OTBD
Block: 94hrs
Duty: 118 Hrs
Days away from base: 18
Days off: 10
Days Standby (90 mins avail, rarely called): 2
Roster stability: Non existant due to crew shortage
Weekends off: 1
Deep night flights: 12
Wild parties down route: About 1/3 rd of the layovers. If not with own crew there usually are other crews to meet in the crewlounges all over the world. Biggest favourite: TAM crew!!!!
Bank balance: brake even almost after 8 years of flying. Wont last long though haha
Enjoy the job: Yes - Coz I like flying!
Fleet: A330
Base: OTBD
Block: 94hrs
Duty: 118 Hrs
Days away from base: 18
Days off: 10
Days Standby (90 mins avail, rarely called): 2
Roster stability: Non existant due to crew shortage
Weekends off: 1
Deep night flights: 12
Wild parties down route: About 1/3 rd of the layovers. If not with own crew there usually are other crews to meet in the crewlounges all over the world. Biggest favourite: TAM crew!!!!
Bank balance: brake even almost after 8 years of flying. Wont last long though haha
Enjoy the job: Yes - Coz I like flying!
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 194
Likes: 0
From: the Milky Way
The plan for Aug 05
Type: 146
Base: Dublin
Sectors: 43
Block: about 70 hours
Duty: usually nearly double block hours (very long turnarounds and some incredibly inefficient duty days)
Nights away from base: 11
Days off: 10
Days Standby: 1
Days in sim: 2
Roster stability: good
Weekends off: 2 partial weekends
Wild parties down route: used to be better, depends on cc
Tired: not too many earlies, so not usually.
Enjoy the job: mostly, would prefer to be doing it in an boeing/bus though!
Type: 146
Base: Dublin
Sectors: 43
Block: about 70 hours
Duty: usually nearly double block hours (very long turnarounds and some incredibly inefficient duty days)
Nights away from base: 11
Days off: 10
Days Standby: 1
Days in sim: 2
Roster stability: good
Weekends off: 2 partial weekends
Wild parties down route: used to be better, depends on cc
Tired: not too many earlies, so not usually.
Enjoy the job: mostly, would prefer to be doing it in an boeing/bus though!
Short Blunt Shock
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 631
Likes: 0
From: UK
Posted for comparison:
XXX 05
Operator: RAF
Fleet: C-130
Base: LYE
Block Hrs: 78
Duty Hrs: 200+
Sectors: 122
Nights away from base: 31
Days off: 3
Days Standby: Constant
Roster Stability: What's that?
Weather: Hot & Sandy
Allowances: 2 cans per night
Wild Parties: NIL, but plenty of mortar-inspired 'get togethers' in a bunker
Pay: Less than a BA Newhire F/O
Tired: Absolutely ******
Flying: Awesome
Enjoy the job: Hell yes!
*some details omitted to preserve anonymity
16B
XXX 05
Operator: RAF
Fleet: C-130
Base: LYE
Block Hrs: 78
Duty Hrs: 200+
Sectors: 122
Nights away from base: 31
Days off: 3
Days Standby: Constant
Roster Stability: What's that?
Weather: Hot & Sandy
Allowances: 2 cans per night
Wild Parties: NIL, but plenty of mortar-inspired 'get togethers' in a bunker
Pay: Less than a BA Newhire F/O
Tired: Absolutely ******
Flying: Awesome
Enjoy the job: Hell yes!
*some details omitted to preserve anonymity
16B
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 133
Likes: 0
From: Close to Wales
Virgin
340
4 trips, no trans-atlantic this month
15 days working
16 days at home
block 78 (including several in the bunk)
3 weekends at home (not always the case)
standby none (tend to do 1 month every 18ish on standby)
roster stability excellent compared to previous employer
tired not really
generally fun people to be away with
340
4 trips, no trans-atlantic this month
15 days working
16 days at home
block 78 (including several in the bunk)
3 weekends at home (not always the case)
standby none (tend to do 1 month every 18ish on standby)
roster stability excellent compared to previous employer
tired not really
generally fun people to be away with
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 49
Likes: 0
From: Valencia, Spain
AUG '05
OPR: ANS
Fleet: CRJ200
Block: 100 Hrs
Duty: 200 Hrs
Sectors: 60
Flight days: 16
Nights away: 11
Standby days: 2
Free days: 10 (could rise to 12, depending on roster)
Stability: Very good, very little changes.
Cheers
OPR: ANS
Fleet: CRJ200
Block: 100 Hrs
Duty: 200 Hrs
Sectors: 60
Flight days: 16
Nights away: 11
Standby days: 2
Free days: 10 (could rise to 12, depending on roster)
Stability: Very good, very little changes.
Cheers
Thread Starter
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 125
Likes: 0
From: Dirty Sands
Thank you ladies & gents to all those who cared to reply.
I've just worked out the averages (from 744 to ATR) in case you wish to see what side of the line you stand on.
Here it is for 1 (Northern) summer month:
Average Block Hours: 82.0
Average Duty Hours: 136.4
Stand Bys: 2.3
Days Away From Base: 7.5
Days Off: 11.6
Of course there's far more to it than the simple math to determine
how hard you work. Not all hours are the same, as no all days off are equal. But that would be another debate.
I've just worked out the averages (from 744 to ATR) in case you wish to see what side of the line you stand on.
Here it is for 1 (Northern) summer month:
Average Block Hours: 82.0
Average Duty Hours: 136.4
Stand Bys: 2.3
Days Away From Base: 7.5
Days Off: 11.6
Of course there's far more to it than the simple math to determine
how hard you work. Not all hours are the same, as no all days off are equal. But that would be another debate.
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
From: Subic Bay, Zambales, Philippines
Opr: FDX
Fleet: A300
Block: 28 (Pay based on 75:53, paid 97:07)
Duty: 270
Sectors: 11 (of course, we call them "legs")
Nights away: 8
Days off: 16
Stability: Company - Excellent. Roster - seniority system
Excellent
Fleet: A300
Block: 28 (Pay based on 75:53, paid 97:07)
Duty: 270
Sectors: 11 (of course, we call them "legs")
Nights away: 8
Days off: 16
Stability: Company - Excellent. Roster - seniority system
Excellent
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 118
Likes: 0
From: uk
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AUG '05
OPR: pfp
Fleet: c152
Block: 4-5hrs= £320 I PAY
Duty: 240hrs worked
Sectors: 0
workdays: 26
Nights away: 0
Standby days: 31
Free days: 4
Stability: Very poor, pay not bad
A jobs a job, mouths to feed etc, I wish I had the balls to get 60k for training, and go into a very unsecure job market, how do young pilots with a young family sleep at night??
I take my hat off to you all!!! even though I like flying round at 2000ft watching the world go by!!
AUG '05
OPR: pfp
Fleet: c152
Block: 4-5hrs= £320 I PAY
Duty: 240hrs worked
Sectors: 0
workdays: 26
Nights away: 0
Standby days: 31
Free days: 4
Stability: Very poor, pay not bad
A jobs a job, mouths to feed etc, I wish I had the balls to get 60k for training, and go into a very unsecure job market, how do young pilots with a young family sleep at night??
I take my hat off to you all!!! even though I like flying round at 2000ft watching the world go by!!
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
From: Switzerland
eazyflite
AUG
Operator: Hapagfly
Fleet: B 738
Base: Munich
Block: 93hrs
Nights away from base: 4
Days off: 12
Days Standby 0
Roster stability: 1 change,good
Weekends off: 2
Deep night flights: 2
Positionings/Proceedings 3 /7:35 ,1/4 is paid as overtime
Overtime starts from 60hrs
Crewlife not very exciting
Operator: Hapagfly
Fleet: B 738
Base: Munich
Block: 93hrs
Nights away from base: 4
Days off: 12
Days Standby 0
Roster stability: 1 change,good
Weekends off: 2
Deep night flights: 2
Positionings/Proceedings 3 /7:35 ,1/4 is paid as overtime
Overtime starts from 60hrs
Crewlife not very exciting
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 54
Likes: 0
From: Canada
Operator: WestJet
Fleet: B 737NG
Base: Calgary
Block: 78hrs
Nights away from base: 8
Days off: 16
Days Standby 0
Roster stability: Excellent
Weekends off: 2
Overtime starts from 80hrs
Rosters published on the 20th of every month and almost never changed. Average 14-19 days off with 6-15 nights away from base. Excellent lifestyle in exchange for lower salary. Stock options and profit share make up remainder of compensation. Upgrades have been within two years but slowed now to 2.5 years. MUST have 4000 hours TT to get an interview.
Fleet: B 737NG
Base: Calgary
Block: 78hrs
Nights away from base: 8
Days off: 16
Days Standby 0
Roster stability: Excellent
Weekends off: 2
Overtime starts from 80hrs
Rosters published on the 20th of every month and almost never changed. Average 14-19 days off with 6-15 nights away from base. Excellent lifestyle in exchange for lower salary. Stock options and profit share make up remainder of compensation. Upgrades have been within two years but slowed now to 2.5 years. MUST have 4000 hours TT to get an interview.
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,648
Likes: 693
From: UK
Operator: EZY
Fleet: 737
Base: UK
Block: 109 hrs
Duty: 190 hrs
Nights away from base: 0
Days off: 8
Days Standby 1
Roster stability: Moderate
Mental state: poor
Edit to add roster pattern:Early Late Off Rest Sby
EEEEEOOEEEEOOLLLREOOEEEEOOLRELLL
Fleet: 737
Base: UK
Block: 109 hrs
Duty: 190 hrs
Nights away from base: 0
Days off: 8
Days Standby 1
Roster stability: Moderate
Mental state: poor
Edit to add roster pattern:Early Late Off Rest Sby
EEEEEOOEEEEOOLLLREOOEEEEOOLRELLL
Last edited by HundredPercentPlease; 29th August 2005 at 16:55.
Thread Starter
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 125
Likes: 0
From: Dirty Sands
September:
SEP 05
Operator: JK
Fleet: A320
Base: PMI
Flight Time: 73:50 (+7:55 deadhead)
Duty Time: 122:05
Days Away from base: 10
Stand By: 1
Days Off: 10 (+2 Rest)
Earlies (very): 3
Deep night flights: 1
Fatigue: Not chronic, but sometimes acute
SEP 05
Operator: JK
Fleet: A320
Base: PMI
Flight Time: 73:50 (+7:55 deadhead)
Duty Time: 122:05
Days Away from base: 10
Stand By: 1
Days Off: 10 (+2 Rest)
Earlies (very): 3
Deep night flights: 1
Fatigue: Not chronic, but sometimes acute
