Air Deccan contract ?
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Yup I have news. There is one Agency out there for the moment, who has wangled a deal, via, via, not just with Deccan but with another couple of Indian Carriers as well and it is a very very good package.
It is one Agency who selects their clients and if they dont pay the price walk away. I believe this Company realise that there is a shortage of pilots and has had the guts to adjust the market accordingly.........
About time too.... if you ask me.
It is one Agency who selects their clients and if they dont pay the price walk away. I believe this Company realise that there is a shortage of pilots and has had the guts to adjust the market accordingly.........
About time too.... if you ask me.
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Most Unprofessional
I went for the Deccan F/O's selection procedure iin May at BLR. IT WAS A TOTAL HOODWINK . The written exam was no where near any standard.... they held the exam for the purpose of fulfilling an obligation towards the DGCA to have a so called proper procedure for induction. Anyways , EVERYONE who wrote the exam was called , no matter whether u got one quesiton right or all of them right. Then at the interview stage , the called as at 10:30 am and ended up holding the interview at 13:00 hrs.
The guy in the interview Narayanan , was totally arrogant , he thought he was the CEO of a company like one the first rung carriers like CX or EK or QF . They did not ask me a single question related to aviation , in fact the 1st question was can you pay Rs10,00,000 /-- for the ATR 42 Endorsement cost. I had already decided to say no. It was not even worth the experience of going for the interview which costs the train ticket and accomodation costs. My advice to anyone looking to join DECCAN , is DONT unless ure living from hand to mouth.
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The guy in the interview Narayanan , was totally arrogant , he thought he was the CEO of a company like one the first rung carriers like CX or EK or QF . They did not ask me a single question related to aviation , in fact the 1st question was can you pay Rs10,00,000 /-- for the ATR 42 Endorsement cost. I had already decided to say no. It was not even worth the experience of going for the interview which costs the train ticket and accomodation costs. My advice to anyone looking to join DECCAN , is DONT unless ure living from hand to mouth.
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Hi Jumpdrive......... yup it a UK Company beginning with C.
Read another thread about Sigmar, on PPRUNE, I think they are a start up or something , nothing good anyway although we all have to start somewhere I suppose. Just that you need a bit of muscle and knowledge behind you with some of these dodgy contracts. I have worked for this 'C' company before, on loa.
Tough lady no b.........t if you know what I mean.
Read another thread about Sigmar, on PPRUNE, I think they are a start up or something , nothing good anyway although we all have to start somewhere I suppose. Just that you need a bit of muscle and knowledge behind you with some of these dodgy contracts. I have worked for this 'C' company before, on loa.
Tough lady no b.........t if you know what I mean.
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Tell Deccan to & *#@ OFF ! I second you Vmid23, this place is a joke. They have a real shortage of pilots and still give this kind of attitude.
Dont worry Kingfisher, SpiceJet, and JETAIRWAYS are all taking in Indian CPLs get your act tight study hard and you will get a job in these real airlines and not Deccan.
Dont worry Kingfisher, SpiceJet, and JETAIRWAYS are all taking in Indian CPLs get your act tight study hard and you will get a job in these real airlines and not Deccan.
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If you're trying to tell us this agency is Contractair I think I will die laughing!! Do a search here to find out the truth about them
No one agency has cornered the Indian market and that is FACT. The Indians would never restrict themselves to just one agency, it's not how they work.
No one agency has cornered the Indian market and that is FACT. The Indians would never restrict themselves to just one agency, it's not how they work.
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Clipper One. I didnt say that whoever the Agency is has an exclusive deal, I said they had wangled something..... read my mail again. I dont know how many agencies are there, but must presume you are an Agent to react so strongly.
Die laughing ,my friend then watch a few new entries into these Airlines and find out who they are with and what is the deal.....?? I know the deal for one Instructor going there, and it is top notch. Think you would eat your words if you knew. But of course shop around.... nobody is disputing that....... If I could get loa I would be off like a shot.......... By the way I do know that they only want Instructors though......... Only one way for you to find out mate eh???
Die laughing ,my friend then watch a few new entries into these Airlines and find out who they are with and what is the deal.....?? I know the deal for one Instructor going there, and it is top notch. Think you would eat your words if you knew. But of course shop around.... nobody is disputing that....... If I could get loa I would be off like a shot.......... By the way I do know that they only want Instructors though......... Only one way for you to find out mate eh???
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Where did I react strongly?? I would have said the exact same thing if you had said PARC, Sigmar, IAC, Rishworth etc etc...I'm certainly not an agent and I would never go near one unless I absolutely had no other choice. Whats the point? Giving away part of your salary every month?? For what? So they can make one or two phone calls where you could just call yourself?
My point is all these agencies are exactly the same!! They offer nothing new, there is no differentiation between them. They all have to choose from the same body of pilots.
And above all, if the **** hits the fan, each and every time who do you think the agency sides with??
My point is all these agencies are exactly the same!! They offer nothing new, there is no differentiation between them. They all have to choose from the same body of pilots.
And above all, if the **** hits the fan, each and every time who do you think the agency sides with??
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Well well Clipper....... I would have thought by the way you reacted that you had had a bad experience with one, but as you would never go near one unless you really had to then you are not ( If I may say so without causing undue offence) be in a position to comment. There are good and bad out there true, but I have only positive things to say about the two I have ever worked with and it was nice to have their protection and support when things were not going as they should. Anyway Mate glad for you that you obviously have a full time sercure position and dont need the Agencies as some people do. For some it suits, and this is going away from the topic of the thread which was Air Deccan. And as I previously mentioned it appears that they dont all have the same deal which is where I started. But, if you don`t need to go and work there then shouldn`t worry you should it, but if you are going to work there best to make sure that you get the best deal and the best support....
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This is an honest question Stokken,
Do they really support you?? How far can they go in supporting you, really.
You know as I do, how pilots talk and I have only ever heard negative things about these agencies. I just don't see the point. Why not just go directly?
For example, you see an ad on an agency website for a position "with a carrier in Taiwan". You don't have to be Einstein to work it out so you go to the airlines website and it's careers section and there they are advertising for pilots to apply!! I mean why go through an agency for something like this?
Sorry man, I just can't see the point! But maybe in the future, you never know, I may HAVE to use one! So in that case, who are the best in your opinion and who are the ones to avoid? I have heard the Hawaiin crowd are good but this IAC agency are shocking. I read here an open letter from a desperate pilot and he didn't even know their address as they didn't have one! Some vague area in Fiji he thought....
Do they really support you?? How far can they go in supporting you, really.
You know as I do, how pilots talk and I have only ever heard negative things about these agencies. I just don't see the point. Why not just go directly?
For example, you see an ad on an agency website for a position "with a carrier in Taiwan". You don't have to be Einstein to work it out so you go to the airlines website and it's careers section and there they are advertising for pilots to apply!! I mean why go through an agency for something like this?
Sorry man, I just can't see the point! But maybe in the future, you never know, I may HAVE to use one! So in that case, who are the best in your opinion and who are the ones to avoid? I have heard the Hawaiin crowd are good but this IAC agency are shocking. I read here an open letter from a desperate pilot and he didn't even know their address as they didn't have one! Some vague area in Fiji he thought....
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You should not worry about a " place like India" most of the CEOs & managment pilots of the new airlines are all xpats.
Other than that pls read up on India before you plan to take up a job there, rather than cry about it, its as safe as any other xpat location and yes much much better than Vietnam and the lot.
Other than that pls read up on India before you plan to take up a job there, rather than cry about it, its as safe as any other xpat location and yes much much better than Vietnam and the lot.
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Doesn't surprise me about the recruitment army guy "Captain".
I had a DFO in a neighbouring South Asian airline with no ATPL (go figure the CAA!) and a new F/O's position who called himself CAPTAIN and ran around with 4 shiny bars introducing himself as Captain ......... MFO / DFO (& bar?). Std in this part of the world I'm afraid - what a joke! They often have far more interest in titles, flash uniforms and image than competency and respect of sub-ordinates / colleagues.
As for the contract and their dishonest techniques - follows on from above. My advice - don't touch anything in South Asia unless its through a known agency or you have $ up front. Preferably with good accom provided (a known hotel chain). Dealing with local landlords or believeing employer promises about "expat" std accom is (in my experience) very risky.
Honesty is not such a strong value there... You have been warned!
I had a DFO in a neighbouring South Asian airline with no ATPL (go figure the CAA!) and a new F/O's position who called himself CAPTAIN and ran around with 4 shiny bars introducing himself as Captain ......... MFO / DFO (& bar?). Std in this part of the world I'm afraid - what a joke! They often have far more interest in titles, flash uniforms and image than competency and respect of sub-ordinates / colleagues.
As for the contract and their dishonest techniques - follows on from above. My advice - don't touch anything in South Asia unless its through a known agency or you have $ up front. Preferably with good accom provided (a known hotel chain). Dealing with local landlords or believeing employer promises about "expat" std accom is (in my experience) very risky.
Honesty is not such a strong value there... You have been warned!
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I agree on evrything all you guys have said
its true, they just call you the 1st week you reach them, and then nothing, seems impossible to receive back a phone call.
talking bout the option of going straight, it depends, as some have already said, on the company, or even the country, of what heard, Deccan doesnt want to take into their hands hiring and selection of expat captains, only Sigmar and aeropersonnel are the agencies dealing with AD
Have friends flying all over the world, some through agencies and some direct employed, they tell and compare both sides, and then again, you have advantages and in some dont, i have worked so far in 2 airlines over the past 16 years, and both have been directly employed, deccan would be the 1st to be through an agency.
wich way better, hard to say, if your hired in an airline directly, you would have to deal with taxes, housing, transportation, almost everything, on the other hand through the agency, all those items are covered during your contract.
and even some agencies like hawaii aviation, they dont take care of taxes, dont give you house, instead they give you $2000 and then you have to go shopping for a roof
theres a lot out there to decide, one thing for sure is the money
6000 of the greens for an ATR, agency or not, geez thats a lot
tell it to the guys flying PIC 737NG or 767 for less
and it makes them wonder or think it twice, and their flying for nationals
well like I said theres a bit for all of us to make up our minds
keep the faith
its true, they just call you the 1st week you reach them, and then nothing, seems impossible to receive back a phone call.
talking bout the option of going straight, it depends, as some have already said, on the company, or even the country, of what heard, Deccan doesnt want to take into their hands hiring and selection of expat captains, only Sigmar and aeropersonnel are the agencies dealing with AD
Have friends flying all over the world, some through agencies and some direct employed, they tell and compare both sides, and then again, you have advantages and in some dont, i have worked so far in 2 airlines over the past 16 years, and both have been directly employed, deccan would be the 1st to be through an agency.
wich way better, hard to say, if your hired in an airline directly, you would have to deal with taxes, housing, transportation, almost everything, on the other hand through the agency, all those items are covered during your contract.
and even some agencies like hawaii aviation, they dont take care of taxes, dont give you house, instead they give you $2000 and then you have to go shopping for a roof
theres a lot out there to decide, one thing for sure is the money
6000 of the greens for an ATR, agency or not, geez thats a lot
tell it to the guys flying PIC 737NG or 767 for less
and it makes them wonder or think it twice, and their flying for nationals
well like I said theres a bit for all of us to make up our minds
keep the faith
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Let's just say, there was an A320 Captain, directly employed by AD on a salary of USD4,000 per month.
Once he realised that AD were taking the p1ss he tendered his resignation. At that point, somewhat conveniently, AD mislaid his passport and it took them some weeks to relocate it, of course all this time he had to continue flying for them.
That's direct employment, or indeed any employment, with AD for you!
Once he realised that AD were taking the p1ss he tendered his resignation. At that point, somewhat conveniently, AD mislaid his passport and it took them some weeks to relocate it, of course all this time he had to continue flying for them.
That's direct employment, or indeed any employment, with AD for you!
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YYZ,
My facts, examples as you refer to them, are so factual that I can even tell you that he was of Colombian nationality.
Are you on the ground in Bangalore 365 days a year or are you just protecting your, Sigmar's, most valued client from the apparent, defend them at any cost, stance that you take on any occassion when someone dare say a word out of place against either?
So, AD are the perfect airline, they pay the best salaries, they don't bull**** anybody, they pay all their invoices on time, not a single day late, they don't mislay passports, their one A320 Training Captain was not in hospital from overwork etc. etc. etc. Yep they're great!
Are you happy now YYZ, I've read your book of BS, now I'm brainwashed like you also!
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YYZ, I'm surprised you've got time to post during your office hours, shouldn't you be running around looking for that VIP B767 crew out of Jordan, like every other agency is, for this Saturday? Chop Chop!
My facts, examples as you refer to them, are so factual that I can even tell you that he was of Colombian nationality.
Are you on the ground in Bangalore 365 days a year or are you just protecting your, Sigmar's, most valued client from the apparent, defend them at any cost, stance that you take on any occassion when someone dare say a word out of place against either?
So, AD are the perfect airline, they pay the best salaries, they don't bull**** anybody, they pay all their invoices on time, not a single day late, they don't mislay passports, their one A320 Training Captain was not in hospital from overwork etc. etc. etc. Yep they're great!
Are you happy now YYZ, I've read your book of BS, now I'm brainwashed like you also!
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YYZ, I'm surprised you've got time to post during your office hours, shouldn't you be running around looking for that VIP B767 crew out of Jordan, like every other agency is, for this Saturday? Chop Chop!
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YYZ,
You seem very intent in turning this into a childish slanging match, please excuse me if I refrain from playing your games.
I have not repeatedly or continued to slander Sigmar, I made, I recall, a solitary post, you responded and I left it at that.
I made a more recent post regarding AD, you interfered, what the **** has it got to do with you, you are merely a customer of AD, one can say what the hell they like about them and it's got diddly squat to do with you or Sigmar.
You're the one that brought Sigmat back into topic, not me nor anybody else so please stop posting your crap that I continue to slander your company, I don't!
You need to grow, stop reading into something that is not there and stop taking everything so personally.
You seem very intent in turning this into a childish slanging match, please excuse me if I refrain from playing your games.
I have not repeatedly or continued to slander Sigmar, I made, I recall, a solitary post, you responded and I left it at that.
I made a more recent post regarding AD, you interfered, what the **** has it got to do with you, you are merely a customer of AD, one can say what the hell they like about them and it's got diddly squat to do with you or Sigmar.
You're the one that brought Sigmat back into topic, not me nor anybody else so please stop posting your crap that I continue to slander your company, I don't!
You need to grow, stop reading into something that is not there and stop taking everything so personally.
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PF - all one needs to do is do a search on your name in PPRUNE and it soon becomes obvious as to who you work for and the reputation you and that company has. Again, please don't use these forums to tell lies about us to make yourself look better. It's easier to accept the fact that you win some and you loose some - it's called business. And instead of constantly slandering and slagging, you should use the time to find new business - as you say, Saturday is just around the corner.
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YYZ,
Shut up, so I work for Sigmar, Air Deccan, Astraeus, Storm, Brookfield, Jet Airways, Biggin Hill Airport, Bromley Court Hotel, Rishworths, John Travolta, EU Jet, Manston Airport, Emerald Airways, East Midlands Airport, Imperial War Museum Duxford, Sky Europe .............
Get a life!
Shut up, so I work for Sigmar, Air Deccan, Astraeus, Storm, Brookfield, Jet Airways, Biggin Hill Airport, Bromley Court Hotel, Rishworths, John Travolta, EU Jet, Manston Airport, Emerald Airways, East Midlands Airport, Imperial War Museum Duxford, Sky Europe .............
Get a life!