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5/2/5/4..Fine!! Everything else associated with it, no thanks!!! I agree whole heartedly with birdonthewire, I personally feel that this degredation in terms and conditions is appalling and that I am now only making BALPA contributions for the legal cover..not representation in matters such as these!!
Why on earth would I vote yes to a system that allows the company to work me into a day off...and not get it back! Why on earth would I wish to lose ten days leave a year, why on earth do I wish to have less leave than the cabin crew!!! Why, oh why do I want a system that puts me on a flexible roster( to preserve the integrity of the 5/2/5/4 system!!!!!!) for sixteen weeks of the year....to add insult to injury this falls in the first four weeks of the school holidays for me, not too good for my kids is it.
Give us 5/2/5/4 if you must, but dont insult my intelligence by screwing me out of any pleasure I have remaining in my life!
Why on earth would I vote yes to a system that allows the company to work me into a day off...and not get it back! Why on earth would I wish to lose ten days leave a year, why on earth do I wish to have less leave than the cabin crew!!! Why, oh why do I want a system that puts me on a flexible roster( to preserve the integrity of the 5/2/5/4 system!!!!!!) for sixteen weeks of the year....to add insult to injury this falls in the first four weeks of the school holidays for me, not too good for my kids is it.
Give us 5/2/5/4 if you must, but dont insult my intelligence by screwing me out of any pleasure I have remaining in my life!
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Jet jockey must be from another easyJet.... most of what he writes isnt in the propsal issued......
Typical... exaggerate everything, rather than read it PROPERLY in the first place?
Try random rostering again JJ, just to see what happens to your family life!
Typical... exaggerate everything, rather than read it PROPERLY in the first place?
Try random rostering again JJ, just to see what happens to your family life!
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It seems there are problems on the cabin crew front too.
Why does easyjet continue to make such hard work of its industrial relations? It's either deliberate policy or sheer incompetence - my opinion is that it's probably a mixture of both.
They profess to be a people company but just look at how they approach the union discussions year after year, dragged kicking and screaming to the table - that's if they even bother turning up.
Before the likes of Norman Stanley Fletcher leaps to their defence I would say that as a new boy he knows little or nothing about the easyjet 'cult'.Factually wrong on at least two counts so far.(Astro Dom. was quite correct in his assertions)
I met two ex easy colleagues this week, one from each seat - both wanted contact information and are actively looking at getting out. I know of plenty more too and as the market opens up they will once again lose some very good people when it is just not necessary- of course nobody cares until it starts affecting costs.
The market has changed with everything cut to the bone adding pressure everywhere you look.We all have to work harder- that's agreed on all fronts, but this can be much better achieved by genuinely working to get the best from people rather than constantly twisting the bloody knife!
900 flying hours a year with rosters that achieve this sensibly should be the target - not 650hrs plus high blood pressure, a divorce and an ulcer!!
Why does easyjet continue to make such hard work of its industrial relations? It's either deliberate policy or sheer incompetence - my opinion is that it's probably a mixture of both.
They profess to be a people company but just look at how they approach the union discussions year after year, dragged kicking and screaming to the table - that's if they even bother turning up.
Before the likes of Norman Stanley Fletcher leaps to their defence I would say that as a new boy he knows little or nothing about the easyjet 'cult'.Factually wrong on at least two counts so far.(Astro Dom. was quite correct in his assertions)
I met two ex easy colleagues this week, one from each seat - both wanted contact information and are actively looking at getting out. I know of plenty more too and as the market opens up they will once again lose some very good people when it is just not necessary- of course nobody cares until it starts affecting costs.
The market has changed with everything cut to the bone adding pressure everywhere you look.We all have to work harder- that's agreed on all fronts, but this can be much better achieved by genuinely working to get the best from people rather than constantly twisting the bloody knife!
900 flying hours a year with rosters that achieve this sensibly should be the target - not 650hrs plus high blood pressure, a divorce and an ulcer!!
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Well, it´s clear that management do not want us to stay and have a career at EZY. There are a lot of pilots with different contracts within EZY and the only thing those contracts have in common is deteriorating T & C´s.
With each new load of pilots management takes a little bit of joy out of the job and squeezes a bit more life out it´s ´assets´ as everything (including some stupid SOP´s like flying around with minimum blockfuel) are geared for maximum stress/fatigue and minimum job satisfaction!
A lot of new joiners (like Norman) in LGW and SXF (on the A319) clearly have no idea of the average easyJet lifestyle as they currently enjoy extremely relaxed (and for EZY atypical) schedules. Sure, as I wrote before, you will be home every night: KNACKERED! Please do NOT assume that the A319 schedules are the EZY standard, go and talk to some B737 pilots!
I´ve been with EZY for over one year now and in this time I´ve clearly experienced; an increase in my blood pressure, sleeping problems and digestion problems. All (in the opinion of my MD) resulting from a screwed up bioclock which has been virtually destroyed by one year of EZY scheduling of 6 and 3. I´ve been flying for quite a few years, but I never experienced the health issues mentioned above with other companies.
I see a LOT of advantages in 5-2-5-4 but it´s obvious that management does not want us to have a reasonable schedule with a reasonable lifestyle.
At the rate this is going I will take my loss at some point and quit. EZY won´t care, as long as I give them enough notice to train the next TRSS victim.
With each new load of pilots management takes a little bit of joy out of the job and squeezes a bit more life out it´s ´assets´ as everything (including some stupid SOP´s like flying around with minimum blockfuel) are geared for maximum stress/fatigue and minimum job satisfaction!
A lot of new joiners (like Norman) in LGW and SXF (on the A319) clearly have no idea of the average easyJet lifestyle as they currently enjoy extremely relaxed (and for EZY atypical) schedules. Sure, as I wrote before, you will be home every night: KNACKERED! Please do NOT assume that the A319 schedules are the EZY standard, go and talk to some B737 pilots!
I´ve been with EZY for over one year now and in this time I´ve clearly experienced; an increase in my blood pressure, sleeping problems and digestion problems. All (in the opinion of my MD) resulting from a screwed up bioclock which has been virtually destroyed by one year of EZY scheduling of 6 and 3. I´ve been flying for quite a few years, but I never experienced the health issues mentioned above with other companies.
I see a LOT of advantages in 5-2-5-4 but it´s obvious that management does not want us to have a reasonable schedule with a reasonable lifestyle.
At the rate this is going I will take my loss at some point and quit. EZY won´t care, as long as I give them enough notice to train the next TRSS victim.
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Stan - To say I know nothing about the easyJet 'cult' is not correct and is somewhat insulting as like you I have a brain and was not born yesterday. EasyJet is the 5th airline I have worked for and overall is as good as any of them. I gladly assume you are an experienced professional pilot with knowlege of both easyJet and the industry as a whole - it would be not unreasonable of me to expect the same courtesy in return. Like so many threads on PPRUNE there is always the danger of denegrating those who differ in opinion from your own to the ignorant, ill-informed and foolish. Sadly that is what sometimes lowers the tone of discussions here unnecessarily. Regarding being 'factually wrong on 2 counts' I am not sure which ones you mean but if you are referring to the discussion on the ezy pilot caught for drinking & flying, then if my failing is to want damaging allegations made on an anonymous forum to be substantiated I am happy to be wrong every time. You may also be interested to know that I have had a private mail conversation with Astro Dominie about this issue (he kindly wrote to me) but I remain unconvinced of the accuracy of what was stated regarding previous alleged cases. If I am subsequently proven wrong - so be it, but I wish to be one who waited for evidence rather than hearsay. We will have to agree to differ.
Many of you do have some fair points but I cannot agree with all of them. You are absolutely right that at Gatwick there is an excess of pilots (+10 over establishment in captains and about +13 I am told among FO's at the moment) but it will go down in the next few months. A lot of Airbus line training is also done there which lowers the flying for line-trained crews. Inevitably, as you rightly point out, that means that we 319 pilots have a better lifestyle than the 737 pilots elsewhere - for which I am very grateful. There is also no doubt that the nature of easyJet is that, depending on which base you work at, you are effictively working in an independent airline whose work pattern and lifestyle bears little resemblence to those of other easyJet pilots elsewhere. In the same way that you can only go on your experience at your particular base, I can only go on mine at my base. Inevitably there will be differences in our perception. Another factor is that the Airbus is a lot less tiring environment to work in over 4 sectors (that is not to ignite the Boeing/Airbus debate - it seems the universal view of all ex-Boeing pilots).
There is clearly an issue over rostering that needed to be addressed. My argument is that in fairness to the company there is a genuine desire to get it right within the constraints that the company has to work with. I simply cannot agree with the 'conspiracy theorists' who seem to see some shady group of managers up at easyland devoting their waking hours to working out how to best destroy our lives! I believe that the 5/2-5/4 system is a sincere attempt to address the rostering concerns of the pilots at easyJet.
There are, however, 2 big issues that stand out to me which may prove fatal to the final acceptance of the plan. The first is that we have a large number of foreign pilots who use their 3 days off to go home and the 5/2 part of the proceedings is very unattractive to them. The second, and I think more pressing problem, is that we now only have 2 blocks of leave in each period (Summer and Winter) compared with 3 previously. My own view is that may prove to be the sticking point.
I do have to ask all you guys/gals out there who have published anti-easyJet gripes over 5/2-5/4 on this thread just one question. Are you LTN/EDI-based crews who have actually experienced 5/2-5/4 or are you just going on gut feeling? I am LGW-based and can therefore fairly be accused of not having experienced the new system. I have however taken the precaution of canvassing the opinion of people who have and the view I am hearing is that it is an improvement over 6/3 and a massive improvement over random rostering. Over to you.....
Many of you do have some fair points but I cannot agree with all of them. You are absolutely right that at Gatwick there is an excess of pilots (+10 over establishment in captains and about +13 I am told among FO's at the moment) but it will go down in the next few months. A lot of Airbus line training is also done there which lowers the flying for line-trained crews. Inevitably, as you rightly point out, that means that we 319 pilots have a better lifestyle than the 737 pilots elsewhere - for which I am very grateful. There is also no doubt that the nature of easyJet is that, depending on which base you work at, you are effictively working in an independent airline whose work pattern and lifestyle bears little resemblence to those of other easyJet pilots elsewhere. In the same way that you can only go on your experience at your particular base, I can only go on mine at my base. Inevitably there will be differences in our perception. Another factor is that the Airbus is a lot less tiring environment to work in over 4 sectors (that is not to ignite the Boeing/Airbus debate - it seems the universal view of all ex-Boeing pilots).
There is clearly an issue over rostering that needed to be addressed. My argument is that in fairness to the company there is a genuine desire to get it right within the constraints that the company has to work with. I simply cannot agree with the 'conspiracy theorists' who seem to see some shady group of managers up at easyland devoting their waking hours to working out how to best destroy our lives! I believe that the 5/2-5/4 system is a sincere attempt to address the rostering concerns of the pilots at easyJet.
There are, however, 2 big issues that stand out to me which may prove fatal to the final acceptance of the plan. The first is that we have a large number of foreign pilots who use their 3 days off to go home and the 5/2 part of the proceedings is very unattractive to them. The second, and I think more pressing problem, is that we now only have 2 blocks of leave in each period (Summer and Winter) compared with 3 previously. My own view is that may prove to be the sticking point.
I do have to ask all you guys/gals out there who have published anti-easyJet gripes over 5/2-5/4 on this thread just one question. Are you LTN/EDI-based crews who have actually experienced 5/2-5/4 or are you just going on gut feeling? I am LGW-based and can therefore fairly be accused of not having experienced the new system. I have however taken the precaution of canvassing the opinion of people who have and the view I am hearing is that it is an improvement over 6/3 and a massive improvement over random rostering. Over to you.....
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I am LTN based EZY pilot and I have to say am a strong advocate of 5/2/5/4. It is significantly less fatigueing than 6/3. I have many misgivings over the new 'protocol' and as soon as I read it I thought that I would vehemently oppose and vote NO. However I really don't want to give up the new pattern, and a no vote will surely end 5/2/5/4 for good. Hence I find myself undecided. Oh for just an extra block of leave to be reinstated, would make both sides life much easier I think.
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Norman my views are not 'anti-ezy gripes', they are my gripes with the protocol surrounding the 5254 system. As i said in my statement earlier I do not disagree with the 5254 system, but why cant it be 5/2/5/4/5/2/5/4/5/2/5/4/5/2 etc etc......not 5254 randomly applied with flexible rostering periods, IDOs/ DDOs/ GDOs and the like??????
I am happy with my job, I joined EZY over 2 years ago and signed a contract based on the present system. I did this because I felt that it offered me some stability in my personal life. This stability is being removed and that does anoy me!
If EZY want to be like Southwest like we keep on hearing, then stabilty is some thing we need to offered. Southwest employs over 4000 pilots with a very low attrition rate, this is surely something EZY wants to emulate...carrying on as they are will mean that they continue to lose pilots to the likes of VA and Dragon at an increased rate. This will cause the company a massive headache...and cost them hugely financially!
The other thing to consider is that other bases have been supplying flightdeck to Luton and EDI, I am just hoping that this not to provide false figures for 5254.
Out of synch, here are extracts from the EZY and BALPA protocol to back up my comments earlier, if you see it some other way please enlighten me!
15. In the 5/4-5/2 pattern the latest rostered finish before 4 days off will be 2359 local time. Inevitably from time to time operational delays on the day will occur. Pilots are expected to complete the rostered duty. When this occurs the overrun into the first day off will be classified as either a Delayed Day Off (DDO) or an Infringed Day Off (IDO). Refer to the attached Glossary for definition. There will be a maximum of 5 Delayed Days Off (DDOs), in any leave year, (01 April 31 March).
The pilots contractual entitlement to 132 days off per year remains unchanged. The entitlement consists of 104 Days Off, 20 Annual Leave Days and 8 Public Holidays.
A pilot is entitled to 20 days annual leave comprising of four five-day leave blocks within the 5/4-5/2 pattern and off-pattern reserve period, for which the pilot will bid.
Annual leave booked within the off-pattern reserve period will attract 2 days off either side. Leave requests in off-pattern reserve are limited to 1 block and can only be booked Monday to Friday.
All statutory public holidays are considered to be included within the 5/4-5/2 pattern.
DDO: Delayed Day Off is a day off infringed by up to and including 90
minutes. Latest off duty time would be 0130 local time. There shall be a
maximum of 5 DDOs in a leave year. On these 5 occasions a day off in lieu
will not be awarded unless the DDO becomes an IDO
IDO: Infringed Day Off is a DDO where the off duty time is later than 0130
local time, or the off duty time is later than 2359 local time after 5 DDOs have
occurred in the leave year. IDOs will be repaid on the next practicable
roster, or at another time agreed between the pilot and the Company.
IDO's may be used by the Company to compensate for granted
Guaranteed Days Off (GDOs).
The aim of the off pattern reserve period is to protect the integrity of the 16-week 5/4-5/2 pattern. This can be best be achieved by including the majority of the standby days in the Reserve Period rather than potentially disrupting the 5/4-5/2 pattern by mixing them with flying duties. However there will doubtless be occasions on which standbys are contained within the working block and we will continue to review any implications for roster stability.
The 28-day Reserve Period is made up of 21-days of CAP371 rostering (the off pattern reserve period). The final period of 7-days will be used to transition pilots from off pattern reserve back into a dedicated 5/4-5/2 pattern. This transition period includes the guaranteed last weekend off prior to re-entering the 5/4-5/2 pattern. Please note, the 7-day transition to pattern is likely to include standby days and will not necessarily follow a consecutive early sequence.
I really hope these issues are resolved otherwise we are in for a long summer.
Ah well at least I can accept my command in BSL!!!!!!!
I am happy with my job, I joined EZY over 2 years ago and signed a contract based on the present system. I did this because I felt that it offered me some stability in my personal life. This stability is being removed and that does anoy me!
If EZY want to be like Southwest like we keep on hearing, then stabilty is some thing we need to offered. Southwest employs over 4000 pilots with a very low attrition rate, this is surely something EZY wants to emulate...carrying on as they are will mean that they continue to lose pilots to the likes of VA and Dragon at an increased rate. This will cause the company a massive headache...and cost them hugely financially!
The other thing to consider is that other bases have been supplying flightdeck to Luton and EDI, I am just hoping that this not to provide false figures for 5254.
Out of synch, here are extracts from the EZY and BALPA protocol to back up my comments earlier, if you see it some other way please enlighten me!
15. In the 5/4-5/2 pattern the latest rostered finish before 4 days off will be 2359 local time. Inevitably from time to time operational delays on the day will occur. Pilots are expected to complete the rostered duty. When this occurs the overrun into the first day off will be classified as either a Delayed Day Off (DDO) or an Infringed Day Off (IDO). Refer to the attached Glossary for definition. There will be a maximum of 5 Delayed Days Off (DDOs), in any leave year, (01 April 31 March).
The pilots contractual entitlement to 132 days off per year remains unchanged. The entitlement consists of 104 Days Off, 20 Annual Leave Days and 8 Public Holidays.
A pilot is entitled to 20 days annual leave comprising of four five-day leave blocks within the 5/4-5/2 pattern and off-pattern reserve period, for which the pilot will bid.
Annual leave booked within the off-pattern reserve period will attract 2 days off either side. Leave requests in off-pattern reserve are limited to 1 block and can only be booked Monday to Friday.
All statutory public holidays are considered to be included within the 5/4-5/2 pattern.
DDO: Delayed Day Off is a day off infringed by up to and including 90
minutes. Latest off duty time would be 0130 local time. There shall be a
maximum of 5 DDOs in a leave year. On these 5 occasions a day off in lieu
will not be awarded unless the DDO becomes an IDO
IDO: Infringed Day Off is a DDO where the off duty time is later than 0130
local time, or the off duty time is later than 2359 local time after 5 DDOs have
occurred in the leave year. IDOs will be repaid on the next practicable
roster, or at another time agreed between the pilot and the Company.
IDO's may be used by the Company to compensate for granted
Guaranteed Days Off (GDOs).
The aim of the off pattern reserve period is to protect the integrity of the 16-week 5/4-5/2 pattern. This can be best be achieved by including the majority of the standby days in the Reserve Period rather than potentially disrupting the 5/4-5/2 pattern by mixing them with flying duties. However there will doubtless be occasions on which standbys are contained within the working block and we will continue to review any implications for roster stability.
The 28-day Reserve Period is made up of 21-days of CAP371 rostering (the off pattern reserve period). The final period of 7-days will be used to transition pilots from off pattern reserve back into a dedicated 5/4-5/2 pattern. This transition period includes the guaranteed last weekend off prior to re-entering the 5/4-5/2 pattern. Please note, the 7-day transition to pattern is likely to include standby days and will not necessarily follow a consecutive early sequence.
I really hope these issues are resolved otherwise we are in for a long summer.
Ah well at least I can accept my command in BSL!!!!!!!
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DDO: Delayed Day Off is a day off infringed by up to and including 90
minutes. Latest off duty time would be 0130 local time. There shall be a
maximum of 5 DDOs in a leave year. On these 5 occasions a day off in lieu
will not be awarded unless the DDO becomes an IDO
minutes. Latest off duty time would be 0130 local time. There shall be a
maximum of 5 DDOs in a leave year. On these 5 occasions a day off in lieu
will not be awarded unless the DDO becomes an IDO
Periods available for leisure and relaxation free from all duties. A single day off shall include two local nights. Consecutive days off shall include a further local night for each additional consecutive day off. A rest period may be included as part of a day off.
A period of 8 hours falling between 2200 hours and 0800 hours local time.
At least if you are going to negotiate a proper scheduling agreement make sure you get benefits that are slightly better than the absolute minimums as laid down by CAP371. Make it punitive for the company to repeatedly roster to maximums because they haven't employed enough flight crew. You should have buffers that protect you from the limits of CP371 such as no duties to be rostered to finish later than 21:00 before a day off and 09:00 after a day off. Force them to have to roster you earlies before days off and lates after days off. Anything less than that and you will appear to the rest of us as little more than muppets who love having no life. 5254 is a great boon to the company because they get 5+ days of productivity out of you on multi-sector days before they have to release you for a recovery period. With the agreement so far, they can take away up to 5 of your days off each period and there's nothing you muppets will be able to do about it. Sad!
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A DELAYED DAY OFF? In my vocabulary a day off is a day off. A delayed day off is NOT a day off! You are going to allow the company to take up to 5 days off a year off of you with no compensation? No wonder the job is rapidly getting a reputation for being little more than a blue collar workers shafting. Apologies to blue collar workers as most of them don't get shafted quite as often or quite as bad!
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Norman......
Why would you know anything about a sensitive incident that happened years before you joined the company?You're hardly likely to be told about it on the company induction day.
As for the T+G I know loads of pilots ( me included)who left Balpa after the last debacle similar to the one that appears to be developing now- many of them found the T+G to be good value.You're not likely to have flown with too many guys that are in that category, are you?
You're right I don't know you but I'm going by what you write here. I joined easy when they had five aeroplanes so I reckon I have the first hand experience to back up my assertions. I've worked for more airlines than you have and in some areas eg training, easy compared favourably to others but in the rostering/ crewing dept it was the worst by far.
Different bases and types can make all the difference at easyJet and I believe that is largely why you have seen one side of it so far, many others have seen the dark side too.
Why would you know anything about a sensitive incident that happened years before you joined the company?You're hardly likely to be told about it on the company induction day.
As for the T+G I know loads of pilots ( me included)who left Balpa after the last debacle similar to the one that appears to be developing now- many of them found the T+G to be good value.You're not likely to have flown with too many guys that are in that category, are you?
You're right I don't know you but I'm going by what you write here. I joined easy when they had five aeroplanes so I reckon I have the first hand experience to back up my assertions. I've worked for more airlines than you have and in some areas eg training, easy compared favourably to others but in the rostering/ crewing dept it was the worst by far.
Different bases and types can make all the difference at easyJet and I believe that is largely why you have seen one side of it so far, many others have seen the dark side too.
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Stan..... I would have to agree with you that I have seen the good side of things. Nonetheless, it has been good and like most of the pilots at Gatwick I am very happy with my lot.
There is no doubt that you were in easyJet when the rostering was terrible and all sorts of rostering problems existed which significantly exhasted good will. Nevertheless that was in the past and my point is that we should recognise that a genuine desire exists on behalf of the company to put right the problems of the past. Like you I have concerns over the potential loss of leave that 5/2-5/4 will bring but I do see that we will gain stability. Nothing is ever perfect, and there will no doubt be difficulties but nothing that cannot be ironed out.
I come back to my original assertion that there are not many LTN/EDI pilots on this thread saying how terrible 5/2-5/4 has been. I am completely open to hearing adverse publicity if that is the case but at this juncture I do not seem to be hearing much negative talk on the subject.
There is no doubt that you were in easyJet when the rostering was terrible and all sorts of rostering problems existed which significantly exhasted good will. Nevertheless that was in the past and my point is that we should recognise that a genuine desire exists on behalf of the company to put right the problems of the past. Like you I have concerns over the potential loss of leave that 5/2-5/4 will bring but I do see that we will gain stability. Nothing is ever perfect, and there will no doubt be difficulties but nothing that cannot be ironed out.
I come back to my original assertion that there are not many LTN/EDI pilots on this thread saying how terrible 5/2-5/4 has been. I am completely open to hearing adverse publicity if that is the case but at this juncture I do not seem to be hearing much negative talk on the subject.
Stan,
YOU haven't worked for easy in recent times, and thus are not qualified to comment on how thing are now. You obviously harbour a lot of resentment from your time there, and so did the right thing leaving. I wonder, though, how you think you are able to tell us who work there now what OUR jobs are like? As you said, you were there in the early days, and were thus part of one of the fastest expansions in airline history. Hardly suprising there were disruptions!!
Whilst still expanding, the pace has slowed allowing rostering/crewing some breathing space. I assert as I have elsewhere that working for easy (B737 LPL. Admittedly one of the better basings) has given me the most stable, predictable work patterns I've experienced.
As to the Delayed Days Off, no I'm not in love with the idea, BUT we are currently able to br ROSTERED past mid-night twelve times a year as flexi-days. Under the new regime our days off will be scheduled to BE days off every time. It means POSSIBLY working into a day off five times a year, rather than being SCHEDULED into a day off twelve times a year.
Not so bad when you think about it, rather than just spouting vitriol every time the Orenge name is raised.
YOU haven't worked for easy in recent times, and thus are not qualified to comment on how thing are now. You obviously harbour a lot of resentment from your time there, and so did the right thing leaving. I wonder, though, how you think you are able to tell us who work there now what OUR jobs are like? As you said, you were there in the early days, and were thus part of one of the fastest expansions in airline history. Hardly suprising there were disruptions!!
Whilst still expanding, the pace has slowed allowing rostering/crewing some breathing space. I assert as I have elsewhere that working for easy (B737 LPL. Admittedly one of the better basings) has given me the most stable, predictable work patterns I've experienced.
As to the Delayed Days Off, no I'm not in love with the idea, BUT we are currently able to br ROSTERED past mid-night twelve times a year as flexi-days. Under the new regime our days off will be scheduled to BE days off every time. It means POSSIBLY working into a day off five times a year, rather than being SCHEDULED into a day off twelve times a year.
Not so bad when you think about it, rather than just spouting vitriol every time the Orenge name is raised.
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jet jockey - yes i would welcome discussing the items with you and our differing interpretations. However, after the publishing of many of the clauses in this public forum, I am choosing to withdraw from the debate, as I see it just plays to management to show such dissention in the ranks.
If you wish to continue, then please join me in the BALPA company forum. (pm me) If you arent in BALPA - then like may others, you are showing you have no interest in what the company decides you are getting.
If you wish to continue, then please join me in the BALPA company forum. (pm me) If you arent in BALPA - then like may others, you are showing you have no interest in what the company decides you are getting.
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Why is not being a member of BALPA show I have no interest in my working relationship with an airline, any airline? What makes BALPA so credible that I should join to somehow and supposedly improve my ability to look after my working life? Life in easyJet is not that bad. I have been around charter and low cost airlines for 30 years and there are worse places to work, and some better, but not many. If you have a gripe about easyJet, get your facts checked and in order before you go into print. Stop just having a go at them because they seem to be succesful and recruiting, unlike many other airlines which do neither, nor are they likely to! Remeber, whinging is a pilot developed ritual.
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Oh Rubik you are so right. I actually think ezy is better than most places too, right now. Pilots will always whinge, and if ezy offered a £100k payrise, some would still whinge they werent paying the tax for them too. There will be no end to it.
However, in our company, BALPA is the recognised negotiator for crew, so by choosing not to support your negotiator, then you are undermining their bargaining on your behalf. Pure fact. If we had membership at the levels they enjoy in Virgin, we probably wouldnt be in this dilemma now.
However, in our company, BALPA is the recognised negotiator for crew, so by choosing not to support your negotiator, then you are undermining their bargaining on your behalf. Pure fact. If we had membership at the levels they enjoy in Virgin, we probably wouldnt be in this dilemma now.
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However, in our company, BALPA is the recognised negotiator for crew, so by choosing not to support your negotiator, then you are undermining their bargaining on your behalf. Pure fact. If we had membership at the levels they enjoy in Virgin, we probably wouldnt be in this dilemma now.
Unfortunately BALPA takes a bit of a back seat when it comes to recruiting, especially at bases outside the UK. According to some mates of mine that are based in ORY and SXF, BALPA never shows their face in these places and membership is very low. Most pilots there have very little faith in BALPA and just stay member of their former employer´s union (i.e. ex-Aerolloyd and ex-Sabena) for legal coverage.
With BSL as a new base, maybe it´s time to get their @sses in gear and wake up!
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Unfortunately, I have to agree that many of my former Aerolloyd / Sabena & Dutch collegues on the continental bases seem to consider joining BALPA purely for the legal back-up. I have not met any BALPA rep. or seen any poster as of yet in any of the continental crewrooms. A bit dissapointing really! If we want to increase the memberships within EZY than Gents, wake up! Ezy is about to go big on the continent and with over 10 % of the fleet and staff already based here it would be time to spread those flyers a bit further and show your faces! One or two members per base won't be enough to convince the rest to join.