British Airways DEP Selection - THE lowdown Part 1
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Can you justify that comment BlackandBrown?
How many of the selectors are ex mil and what percentage is that of the total?
Of those interviewers that you have assessed how have you judged their professionalism in their attitude towards selection based on candidates background?
Your access to BA training records and selection and interview data seems quite impressive. Maybe you could enlighten us as to your role in the BA training department.
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How many of the selectors are ex mil and what percentage is that of the total?
Of those interviewers that you have assessed how have you judged their professionalism in their attitude towards selection based on candidates background?
Your access to BA training records and selection and interview data seems quite impressive. Maybe you could enlighten us as to your role in the BA training department.
Jazzy
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BlackandBrown; It would to you. To say the selection is the same is only half the truth when many of the sim selectors are ex military and they clearly have a penchant for themselves.
B&B, how was your sim? Tell us about your experience of it, the day as a whole and the trainer you met! Was he as polite, curtious, friendly and professional as the guy who did mine!?!
I wonder?????????
B&B, how was your sim? Tell us about your experience of it, the day as a whole and the trainer you met! Was he as polite, curtious, friendly and professional as the guy who did mine!?!
I wonder?????????
B & B
Not bitter then? Contrary to your one-eyed view, I was given a hard time because I was ex-mil. To all the "Give me an example when....." questions, my replies were based upon my Service career which did not impress the HR woman in the interview. To every answer I gave, she would ask for another example where I was not in a position of authority. It was the RAF ffs. There was never a time when I was not in a position of authority. Fortunately, the pilot interviewer (BA cadet and civvie through and through) was sensible enough to spot the HR woman's obvious hostility to the Armed Forces.
Not bitter then? Contrary to your one-eyed view, I was given a hard time because I was ex-mil. To all the "Give me an example when....." questions, my replies were based upon my Service career which did not impress the HR woman in the interview. To every answer I gave, she would ask for another example where I was not in a position of authority. It was the RAF ffs. There was never a time when I was not in a position of authority. Fortunately, the pilot interviewer (BA cadet and civvie through and through) was sensible enough to spot the HR woman's obvious hostility to the Armed Forces.
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The only 'point' I can see B&B is that you're NOW basing your rejection on not being ex mil!?! Do you genuinely believe this is the NEW reason why you were not successful?
I have a feeling you'd find an excuse for everything in life.
I have a feeling you'd find an excuse for everything in life.
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I love it BlackandBrown!
You went for a selection procedure along with thousands of others and didn't get through.
The background of pilots in BA are incredibly varied and have become more so after the Hamble/Prestwick years. The intake of DEP's from 2005/6 were from an extremely wide cross section. I suspect the new intake will mirror that.
Yes, some are ex mil, but most from a wide variety of age group, flying background and nationality.
I have been through selections for various companies before joining BA, some I worked for other I didn't. Some through choice other times through failing a selection. Of all these processes I think BA strives harder to maintain parity for candidates. The process is fair.
It does not account for you having a bad day, being off your game or being under prepared but it is too heavily scrutinised to be inconsistent. I know some of the selectors personally and hold them in the highest regard. In interviews they do the utmost to try to help people through the process. There is information they need, if it is not forthcoming they do their best to coax it out. The interview is your's to fail rather than your's to pass!
However, please remember they are not there to pick the best pilots or even the best aircraft operators they are there to pick the best pilots/employees for BA and all that entails!
It may be a subtle difference but is is a difference.
I go back to my original point. If you did not get through the BA selection it could be for a myriad of reasons. It does not mean the selector was biased, the process flawed or even that you are not a good operator. It does however mean that at the end of the whole process BA did not feel you suited it's operation. This time round.
You can continue to find fault, and accuse everyone one in the BA recruitment process of bias. I'm not sure your opinion holds much credence though.
You could however accept it, realise that you don't suit BA or they don't suit you and be a big boy about the rest of your career. Chipped shoulders are very visible to the correct interviewer.
In my 9000 hours and three companies, one command and NO military career. I have not found one respected pilot who does not spend more time looking for ways to improve themselves rather than simply blame the system for failures they make or are even tangentially involved with.
I wish you well in your career and personal development. Maybe in time you will realise what the selectors did or did not see in you and work towards a more successful outcome...next time.
Jazzy
You went for a selection procedure along with thousands of others and didn't get through.
The background of pilots in BA are incredibly varied and have become more so after the Hamble/Prestwick years. The intake of DEP's from 2005/6 were from an extremely wide cross section. I suspect the new intake will mirror that.
Yes, some are ex mil, but most from a wide variety of age group, flying background and nationality.
I have been through selections for various companies before joining BA, some I worked for other I didn't. Some through choice other times through failing a selection. Of all these processes I think BA strives harder to maintain parity for candidates. The process is fair.
It does not account for you having a bad day, being off your game or being under prepared but it is too heavily scrutinised to be inconsistent. I know some of the selectors personally and hold them in the highest regard. In interviews they do the utmost to try to help people through the process. There is information they need, if it is not forthcoming they do their best to coax it out. The interview is your's to fail rather than your's to pass!
However, please remember they are not there to pick the best pilots or even the best aircraft operators they are there to pick the best pilots/employees for BA and all that entails!
It may be a subtle difference but is is a difference.
I go back to my original point. If you did not get through the BA selection it could be for a myriad of reasons. It does not mean the selector was biased, the process flawed or even that you are not a good operator. It does however mean that at the end of the whole process BA did not feel you suited it's operation. This time round.
You can continue to find fault, and accuse everyone one in the BA recruitment process of bias. I'm not sure your opinion holds much credence though.
You could however accept it, realise that you don't suit BA or they don't suit you and be a big boy about the rest of your career. Chipped shoulders are very visible to the correct interviewer.
In my 9000 hours and three companies, one command and NO military career. I have not found one respected pilot who does not spend more time looking for ways to improve themselves rather than simply blame the system for failures they make or are even tangentially involved with.
I wish you well in your career and personal development. Maybe in time you will realise what the selectors did or did not see in you and work towards a more successful outcome...next time.
Jazzy
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I love it BlackandBrown!
You went for a selection procedure along with thousands of others and didn't get through.
The background of pilots in BA are incredibly varied and have become more so after the Hamble/Prestwick years. The intake of DEP's from 2005/6 were from an extremely wide cross section. I suspect the new intake will mirror that.
Yes, some are ex mil, but most from a wide variety of age group, flying background and nationality.
I have been through selections for various companies before joining BA, some I worked for other I didn't. Some through choice other times through failing a selection. Of all these processes I think BA strives harder to maintain parity for candidates. The process is fair.
It does not account for you having a bad day, being off your game or being under prepared but it is too heavily scrutinised to be inconsistent. I know some of the selectors personally and hold them in the highest regard. In interviews they do the utmost to try to help people through the process. There is information they need, if it is not forthcoming they do their best to coax it out. The interview is your to fail rather than your to pass!
However, please remember they are not there to pick the best pilots or even the best aircraft operators they are there to pick the best pilots/employees for BA and all that entails!
It may be a subtle difference but is is a difference.
I go back to my original point. If you did not get through the BA selection it could be for a myriad of reasons. It does not mean the selector was biased, the process flawed or even that you are not a good operator. It does however mean that at the end of the whole process BA did not feel you suited it's operation. This time round.
You can continue to find fault, and accuse everyone one in the BA recruitment process of bias. I'm not sure your opinion holds much credence though.
You could however accept it, realise that you don't suit BA or they don't suit you and be a big boy about the rest of your career. Chipped shoulders are very visible to the correct interviewer.
In my 9000 hours and three companies, one command and NO military career. I have not found one respected pilot who does not spend more time looking for ways to improve themselves rather than simply blame the system for failures they make or are even tangentially involved with.
I wish you well in your career and personal development. Maybe in time you will realise what the selectors did or did not see in you and work towards a more successful outcome...next time.
Jazzy
You went for a selection procedure along with thousands of others and didn't get through.
The background of pilots in BA are incredibly varied and have become more so after the Hamble/Prestwick years. The intake of DEP's from 2005/6 were from an extremely wide cross section. I suspect the new intake will mirror that.
Yes, some are ex mil, but most from a wide variety of age group, flying background and nationality.
I have been through selections for various companies before joining BA, some I worked for other I didn't. Some through choice other times through failing a selection. Of all these processes I think BA strives harder to maintain parity for candidates. The process is fair.
It does not account for you having a bad day, being off your game or being under prepared but it is too heavily scrutinised to be inconsistent. I know some of the selectors personally and hold them in the highest regard. In interviews they do the utmost to try to help people through the process. There is information they need, if it is not forthcoming they do their best to coax it out. The interview is your to fail rather than your to pass!
However, please remember they are not there to pick the best pilots or even the best aircraft operators they are there to pick the best pilots/employees for BA and all that entails!
It may be a subtle difference but is is a difference.
I go back to my original point. If you did not get through the BA selection it could be for a myriad of reasons. It does not mean the selector was biased, the process flawed or even that you are not a good operator. It does however mean that at the end of the whole process BA did not feel you suited it's operation. This time round.
You can continue to find fault, and accuse everyone one in the BA recruitment process of bias. I'm not sure your opinion holds much credence though.
You could however accept it, realise that you don't suit BA or they don't suit you and be a big boy about the rest of your career. Chipped shoulders are very visible to the correct interviewer.
In my 9000 hours and three companies, one command and NO military career. I have not found one respected pilot who does not spend more time looking for ways to improve themselves rather than simply blame the system for failures they make or are even tangentially involved with.
I wish you well in your career and personal development. Maybe in time you will realise what the selectors did or did not see in you and work towards a more successful outcome...next time.
Jazzy
I decided to view this as an opportunity to work on myself rather than blame BA for my failure.
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For current hold-poolers and anyone with "insider knowledge":
any word yet on new-year start dates? I notice a few people on this thread who have been in the pool since late spring / early summer 2011 are still awaiting news.
(Pool since Aug 2011 myself).
any word yet on new-year start dates? I notice a few people on this thread who have been in the pool since late spring / early summer 2011 are still awaiting news.
(Pool since Aug 2011 myself).
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Maths Tests
Hi Guys
Does anyone who has been to selection remember if there were any speed distance time questions on the numerical test? Trying to revise maths 101 at the moment and looking at what fields I need to improve, aside from the normal "man drills 5 holes in an hour questions" etc
Cheers
Does anyone who has been to selection remember if there were any speed distance time questions on the numerical test? Trying to revise maths 101 at the moment and looking at what fields I need to improve, aside from the normal "man drills 5 holes in an hour questions" etc
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- Is the personality test still there?
- Do they require different examples to the questions than in the application form and any previous attempt at the interview?
- Is the lunchtime discussion in any way assessed?
Peter Griffin - I don't remember any speed / dist / time questions but I wouldn't worry about it too much. Just basic maths with a big time constraint. I can't stress this enough - if it's going to take you more then 20 seconds to solve, leave it and move on! I only managed about 15 out of the 25, but I'm not particularly brilliant at maths.
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Great question B-HVY! I'm wondering the same thing. In pool since April (B737), and getting a bit worried ... could any of the insiders please put us out of our misery?
For current hold-poolers and anyone with "insider knowledge":
any word yet on new-year start dates? I notice a few people on this thread who have been in the pool since late spring / early summer 2011 are still awaiting news."
any word yet on new-year start dates? I notice a few people on this thread who have been in the pool since late spring / early summer 2011 are still awaiting news."
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Hi vnav speed, how many hours do you have? I just entered the hold pool a few weeks ago. April seems a long time ago! Maybe they're waiting to put you on the 737 early next year hence the delay?
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For current hold-poolers and anyone with "insider knowledge":
any word yet on new-year start dates? I notice a few people on this thread who have been in the pool since late spring / early summer 2011 are still awaiting news."
any word yet on new-year start dates? I notice a few people on this thread who have been in the pool since late spring / early summer 2011 are still awaiting news."