Swimming In The BA Pool?
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From: Hang on, I'll check my roster...
120 contracts ready to be offered, started last week they tell me, 24 fATPL's from ab initio courses in addition...
Think that it is alot of hassle for a peek at the market, seems like only the start of a long spell of hiring to me.
Think that it is alot of hassle for a peek at the market, seems like only the start of a long spell of hiring to me.
Joined: Sep 2003
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From: Europe
Are the Easy guys turning down 737 slots or are they turning down potential 757/777 slots?
I can see why they wouldn't necessarily want a lateral move to the 737 if they have to put up with LHR/LGW 4-5 times per day, but I think I'd rather be flying a 777 personally and visit some exotic places....
I can see why they wouldn't necessarily want a lateral move to the 737 if they have to put up with LHR/LGW 4-5 times per day, but I think I'd rather be flying a 777 personally and visit some exotic places....
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From: uk
Just done the sim check seemed to ok got a well done anyhow.
What is the time scale for discovering whether or not you have made it into the swimming pool?
What's the score if they offer you a 737 place and you fly a 757 and have aspirations to fly something bigger? Do they say take it or leave it, and then dump you from the pool because you dared say you would rather upsize as opposed to downsize?
What is the time scale for discovering whether or not you have made it into the swimming pool?
What's the score if they offer you a 737 place and you fly a 757 and have aspirations to fly something bigger? Do they say take it or leave it, and then dump you from the pool because you dared say you would rather upsize as opposed to downsize?
Joined: Oct 2004
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From: UK
Cirro,
I got a call seven days after the sim telling me I had passed. It's then a waiting game to find out the fleet they want you to go on...
I was told if you had real lifestyle issues you could get away with declining their first offer. But who knows when the second one will come?!
Cheers
4AD
I got a call seven days after the sim telling me I had passed. It's then a waiting game to find out the fleet they want you to go on...
I was told if you had real lifestyle issues you could get away with declining their first offer. But who knows when the second one will come?!
Cheers
4AD
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Thanks 4AD! R u on the line there now, if so on what and how do you rate it vis-a-vis your previous mob, was it charter or scheduled? There seems to be a lot of ppl saying don't jump not sure if many have ever flown a charter roster post 9/11. I was on an long day trip today, unrostered 2morrow now I am on a night Palma!
Joined: Oct 2004
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From: UK
Cirro,
I'm not at BA now. Still flying charter and waiting for a course date. I have to wonder as well if those advising against the move really know what life is like in a charter outfit.
Good luck with the sim result.
4AD
I'm not at BA now. Still flying charter and waiting for a course date. I have to wonder as well if those advising against the move really know what life is like in a charter outfit.
Good luck with the sim result.
4AD
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Cirro
My understanding is that you won't be offered 737LGW.
They'll save that for the 160 hour boys.
Don't listen too much to the doom and gloom.
Being bottom of the senioriy is not the best but you have to look at it in context.
You still get roster stability (albeit blind) lots of leave, staff T, and the money's good. There is route diversity even in Shorthaul and you will get to fly the 777/747-400 and who knows what else in time.
You don't get that chance with
Thomas Cook
Britannia
Excel
Easy
Ryan
FCA
etc etc.
and before anyone starts with their anti-BA chip that is a fact.
I know from a family member it beats charter hands down.
Anyone who thinks otherwise I suspect has never had the option.
Good luck
BTSM
My understanding is that you won't be offered 737LGW.
They'll save that for the 160 hour boys.
Don't listen too much to the doom and gloom.
Being bottom of the senioriy is not the best but you have to look at it in context.
You still get roster stability (albeit blind) lots of leave, staff T, and the money's good. There is route diversity even in Shorthaul and you will get to fly the 777/747-400 and who knows what else in time.
You don't get that chance with
Thomas Cook
Britannia
Excel
Easy
Ryan
FCA
etc etc.
and before anyone starts with their anti-BA chip that is a fact.
I know from a family member it beats charter hands down.
Anyone who thinks otherwise I suspect has never had the option.
Good luck
BTSM
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BTSM,
guys with several thousand hours on 737s have already been offered jobs at LGW on the 737. No doubt low hours guys will be going there as well, but they will have some very experienced company.
What the experienced guys have to decide is whether they are prepared to sell up and move from their present location to do in most cases the same job on the same type but in a new uniform on very similar pay for several years. Many short haul guys applied to BA hoping for long haul jobs.
guys with several thousand hours on 737s have already been offered jobs at LGW on the 737. No doubt low hours guys will be going there as well, but they will have some very experienced company.
What the experienced guys have to decide is whether they are prepared to sell up and move from their present location to do in most cases the same job on the same type but in a new uniform on very similar pay for several years. Many short haul guys applied to BA hoping for long haul jobs.
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From: UK
Gunman
the sim is 90% about how you act as a crew member, 10% about flying ability. Help each other. You won't score points for not helping the other guy when he's struggling where you didn't.
Treat it as a normal flight and make normal requests to ATC for help - vectors, weather, etc. We even asked "company" where they wanted us to divert to - "company" politely told us we had to make that decision for ourselves!
Enjoy
the sim is 90% about how you act as a crew member, 10% about flying ability. Help each other. You won't score points for not helping the other guy when he's struggling where you didn't.
Treat it as a normal flight and make normal requests to ATC for help - vectors, weather, etc. We even asked "company" where they wanted us to divert to - "company" politely told us we had to make that decision for ourselves!
Enjoy
Joined: Oct 2004
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From: UK
1-11 Sim
Gunman,
I agree with JD. It seems to be a test of how you are as a member of a team on the flightdeck. Help out your partner as much as possible. Use the 10 mins you have before the exercise to get as much planning done as possible. (Where to divert to, possible holding fixes etc.)
You are bound to get a diversion at some stage. Do as JD suggested. It will probably be procedural so the NHP will be maxed out setting up stuff for the HP. Think this through at the briefing stage.
When things are getting fraught during the exercise you can expect to be asked some questions by the examiner. These are mental arithmetic type probs to try to distract you!
On the plus side the sim is not the beast to fly I had expected. Although the autopilot was more a hinderance than a help!
All the best for tuesday.
4AD
I agree with JD. It seems to be a test of how you are as a member of a team on the flightdeck. Help out your partner as much as possible. Use the 10 mins you have before the exercise to get as much planning done as possible. (Where to divert to, possible holding fixes etc.)
You are bound to get a diversion at some stage. Do as JD suggested. It will probably be procedural so the NHP will be maxed out setting up stuff for the HP. Think this through at the briefing stage.
When things are getting fraught during the exercise you can expect to be asked some questions by the examiner. These are mental arithmetic type probs to try to distract you!
On the plus side the sim is not the beast to fly I had expected. Although the autopilot was more a hinderance than a help!
All the best for tuesday.
4AD
Last edited by 4AD; 24th October 2004 at 20:49.
