Air Atlanta upgrades
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From: ME
At one stage this year AAI had offered 8 B747's for a specific Hajj contract, they pulled out of it at relatively short notice stating that the union objected to the contract due to ME security concerns.
Now 747Classic is saying that they dont have a union??
Remember that in this business that whey you start lying to your customers, it will come back to bite you!
Mutt.
Now 747Classic is saying that they dont have a union??
Remember that in this business that whey you start lying to your customers, it will come back to bite you!
Mutt.
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From: ANYWHERE THE BEER IS COLD
Hi Mutt,
My info is based on 4 years ago, but I still believe that the "Indigenous Crews" still have a Union while the "Contract Crews" do not. Therefore the low wages, no benies and overall conditions.
8-B747's? That could only mean Saudia. Are you saying that they are not going to be flying for Saudia during this years hajj? Who will be filling the void and what is AAI going to be doing with the aircraft?
My info is based on 4 years ago, but I still believe that the "Indigenous Crews" still have a Union while the "Contract Crews" do not. Therefore the low wages, no benies and overall conditions.
8-B747's? That could only mean Saudia. Are you saying that they are not going to be flying for Saudia during this years hajj? Who will be filling the void and what is AAI going to be doing with the aircraft?
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From: Balmullo,Scotland
Earl i could not agree with You more.As for Unions(and I can only talk about engineering here)The "Fish head" engineers definately DO have a union and in fact they threatend to go on strike whilst I was in Madrid and did in fact pack in and go back to EB2 only for their demands to be met poste-haste and a resumption of work to take place,I cannot entirely remember what it was all about but obviously pay and conditions were the main factor.Not long after that We were issued contracts which was a first!
I just remembered that when the contracts were actually issued I was in charge of a shift and had to go through the contracts of the guys i was responsible for with the base accountant,well you can imagine My astonishment when I saw that 1 of the MECHANICS I was supervising was being paid $1500 P.M. more than Me,this Guy never even had a mechanics license(which under the Company exposition He had to have)or any responsibilty this is the first time i have mentioned it however to be honest it never really bothered me as when I joined they made Me an offer which I felt(at the time) was ok.
All the best
matkat
I just remembered that when the contracts were actually issued I was in charge of a shift and had to go through the contracts of the guys i was responsible for with the base accountant,well you can imagine My astonishment when I saw that 1 of the MECHANICS I was supervising was being paid $1500 P.M. more than Me,this Guy never even had a mechanics license(which under the Company exposition He had to have)or any responsibilty this is the first time i have mentioned it however to be honest it never really bothered me as when I joined they made Me an offer which I felt(at the time) was ok.
All the best
matkat
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From: Matruh, Egypt and Belize.
Hey Classic
Don't really even need a union, although admittedly it would be desireble, just a group of strong people with principles to stand together.
Of course they won't and the company is wetting themselves laughing all the way to the bank.
Don't really even need a union, although admittedly it would be desireble, just a group of strong people with principles to stand together.
Of course they won't and the company is wetting themselves laughing all the way to the bank.
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From: here and there but mostly lgw
I think you'll find that alot of the upgrades are being reserved for the upcoming merger/buyout of excel and the use of their genuinly licenced permenant pilots up grading. Need to raise the bar and all that what. apologies to the aae chaps who have a first world licence.
NB the first world ends at 16w
NB the first world ends at 16w
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From: Matruh, Egypt and Belize.
Not necessarily.
All unions I have been associated with, have their hand out wanting money, normally a percentage of one's salary. As a group, a union normally has more power, as there is usually an affiliation with some other union but of course is much more long winded, when decisions have to be made.
As a group of employees (non union) getting together and taking direct action ie stop work, on some issue is slightly different but just as effective, if they are prepared to hold out.
That's the way I see it.
All unions I have been associated with, have their hand out wanting money, normally a percentage of one's salary. As a group, a union normally has more power, as there is usually an affiliation with some other union but of course is much more long winded, when decisions have to be made.
As a group of employees (non union) getting together and taking direct action ie stop work, on some issue is slightly different but just as effective, if they are prepared to hold out.
That's the way I see it.
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From: dubai
See your point.
Convert?? Let us take the reverse shall we?
If you convert from Islam to Christianity, it is looked upon as blasphemous, punishable by death.
So AAI are telling you to renounce Christianity?
The choice is yours of course but C to I is a one-way conversion.
See what we are dealing with?
Now anyone tell me that is a level playing field.
Convert?? Let us take the reverse shall we?
If you convert from Islam to Christianity, it is looked upon as blasphemous, punishable by death.
So AAI are telling you to renounce Christianity?
The choice is yours of course but C to I is a one-way conversion.
See what we are dealing with?
Now anyone tell me that is a level playing field.
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From: UK & points middle east
AAI Command Upgrades are continuing apace. Of the initial 15 commands offered on the B747, 12 are completely finished, and on the line, to my knowledge.... with the remaining three in progress. I cannot shed light on the October class, sorry, "guys-in-the-wings".
From personal experience I can confirm that the upgrade training has been executed professionally! No shortcuts, nor favouritism in my view. Granted, of the first five upgrades (of 15) 3 were Icelandic, but, hey.... It's their train-set!
As for Howlow & FKA's aspersions, AAI is a drastically different place to work these days.
From personal experience I can confirm that the upgrade training has been executed professionally! No shortcuts, nor favouritism in my view. Granted, of the first five upgrades (of 15) 3 were Icelandic, but, hey.... It's their train-set!
As for Howlow & FKA's aspersions, AAI is a drastically different place to work these days.
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From: MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS
I have read above that we should create a union. That is right.
What we must do is to get united and represented by a guy (could be a lawyer) from outside the airline.
To reach that point, we must first set up a kind of web site, elect the guy and dictate our conditions.
What we must do is to get united and represented by a guy (could be a lawyer) from outside the airline.
To reach that point, we must first set up a kind of web site, elect the guy and dictate our conditions.
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From: Behind the firewall
The union already exists!!! It is my impression that most of Air Atlanta pilots have over the years been mislead to believe that FFF is the only pilot union in Iceland. FFF, the so called union that represent most, between 50-70, of the Icelandic and Scandinavian pilots within Air Atlanta, is not the only pilot union in Iceland. Air Atlanta dictates who and how many pilots are members of FFF at any given time....
The Icelandic Airline Pilots Association however,a member of IFALPA, ECA and NTF, is totaly indipendent and represents pilots from every airline and operator in Iceland including Icelandair and Islandsflug, even one pilot from Air Atlanta.
The upcoming merger between Islandsflug and Air Atlanta presents an ideal opportunity for Air Atlanta pilots to join the contract Islandsflug has with the Icelandic Airline Pilots Association and probably the best of all our little friend Jerry O´Sullivan has nothing to do or comes nowhere near that contract.
For more info www.fia.is and [email protected]
The Icelandic Airline Pilots Association however,a member of IFALPA, ECA and NTF, is totaly indipendent and represents pilots from every airline and operator in Iceland including Icelandair and Islandsflug, even one pilot from Air Atlanta.
The upcoming merger between Islandsflug and Air Atlanta presents an ideal opportunity for Air Atlanta pilots to join the contract Islandsflug has with the Icelandic Airline Pilots Association and probably the best of all our little friend Jerry O´Sullivan has nothing to do or comes nowhere near that contract.
For more info www.fia.is and [email protected]
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From: Jakarta
OK, OK!
Thanks for the rhetoric, but does anyone have any info concerning the original thread?
Seems to me several of the recent F/O hires, SA and NZ specifically, should be considered! Good operators!
Has the October class been postponed or cancelled?
(edited for spelling)
Thanks for the rhetoric, but does anyone have any info concerning the original thread?
Seems to me several of the recent F/O hires, SA and NZ specifically, should be considered! Good operators!
Has the October class been postponed or cancelled?
(edited for spelling)
