Is Ryanair worth it?
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I fly for a rival loco at Liverpool (no prizes for guessing which one!) and I am quite interested in Ryanair's new base.
Is there a waiting list or priority list for moving to LPL? Are there any FR pilots out there who know?
Also, do you think its in my interests to move? After all, I already have a punishing roster, long hours and unsympathetic management - I could do with the extra £1000 a month doing it for FR.
Any Ryanair guys out there like to comment?
Is there a waiting list or priority list for moving to LPL? Are there any FR pilots out there who know?
Also, do you think its in my interests to move? After all, I already have a punishing roster, long hours and unsympathetic management - I could do with the extra £1000 a month doing it for FR.
Any Ryanair guys out there like to comment?
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It ain't all bad, boys.
If you're considering working for Ryanair, the most important prerequisite is the maturity to see it for what it is. A wildly successful airline, the most profitable on earth by quite a long way, and a company that works people hard and pays them VERY well and on time. The company is run by an evil genius accountant who sees the world before him, I think, in terms of assets and liabilities. One of the most malignant of the latter is unionisation, and not surprisingly it is strenuously resisted. The latest back-door shenanigans of Balpa is the REPA nonsense. One cursory look at their website will reveal how completely underwhelming the project is. A real credit to under achievement.
I'm a Brookfield's contract Captain, have been for over a year. I fly my arse off, live somewhere very nice, sleep in my own bed every night, and earn a load of cash. Up to you, but I think the Ryanair deal is a good one. I find that I sleep very well indeed working for a company with twelve hundred and fifty millions €uros in the bank. If you need all the touchy-feely stuff, probably better off looking elsewhere and hoping your company survives. If you like the idea of flying brand new glass cockpit Boeings with plenty of variety and wads of money though, come on over.
Oh, and for those of you with some kind of weird moral objection to paying for your own professional qualifications, I recovered the cost of my type endorsement in 12 weeks, lads!
I'm a Brookfield's contract Captain, have been for over a year. I fly my arse off, live somewhere very nice, sleep in my own bed every night, and earn a load of cash. Up to you, but I think the Ryanair deal is a good one. I find that I sleep very well indeed working for a company with twelve hundred and fifty millions €uros in the bank. If you need all the touchy-feely stuff, probably better off looking elsewhere and hoping your company survives. If you like the idea of flying brand new glass cockpit Boeings with plenty of variety and wads of money though, come on over.
Oh, and for those of you with some kind of weird moral objection to paying for your own professional qualifications, I recovered the cost of my type endorsement in 12 weeks, lads!
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good on ya blue!
we need a lot more of you guys up here,telling the truth.
you just look out for yourself and don't heed any of those guys trying to talk you into respecting your fellow pilots.those bunch of bums deserve all they get.you just take the money and get yourself plenty of rest in that bed of yours at night.
if that crappy union gets you better terms or conditions,or if you need help in a crisis,i look forward to you writing in and refusing the better deal or help.
you really are one top guy.
i never paid for my many ratings and i recovered the cost immediately.
sleep well you ozi toss-pot.didn't do a bit of work for ansett at any time?
we need a lot more of you guys up here,telling the truth.
you just look out for yourself and don't heed any of those guys trying to talk you into respecting your fellow pilots.those bunch of bums deserve all they get.you just take the money and get yourself plenty of rest in that bed of yours at night.
if that crappy union gets you better terms or conditions,or if you need help in a crisis,i look forward to you writing in and refusing the better deal or help.
you really are one top guy.
i never paid for my many ratings and i recovered the cost immediately.
sleep well you ozi toss-pot.didn't do a bit of work for ansett at any time?
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Howdy Grim,
Niceness is such a virtue, don't you think? I deduce from your schoolboy outburst that you might disagree with my point of view. The thread, in case you've forgotten, is whether Ryanair is worth it or not. In my opinion, based on experience, is that yes it most certainly is.
I'm sorry your experience of the company is different.....do you in fact work for the Ryan's, or are you just a sad, grumpy little twerp who derives some kind of sick pleasure in hurling abuse for the sake of it?
Unions, sonny, are not about better T's and C's, they're about the maintenance and expansion of power, that great old discredited chestnut fresh from the pages of Das Kapital. If you think differently, I suggest you stop being the turgid, screeching howler monkey your bluster suggests you are, and have a better look at the world of airline flying and damage inflicted on it by unions over the years.
I did mention that maturity to see Ryanair for what it is was an important prerequisite for anyone thinking of joining. Seems clear, Grim, that you're woefully under qualified in that department. Good luck, sounds like you'll need it.
Niceness is such a virtue, don't you think? I deduce from your schoolboy outburst that you might disagree with my point of view. The thread, in case you've forgotten, is whether Ryanair is worth it or not. In my opinion, based on experience, is that yes it most certainly is.
I'm sorry your experience of the company is different.....do you in fact work for the Ryan's, or are you just a sad, grumpy little twerp who derives some kind of sick pleasure in hurling abuse for the sake of it?
Unions, sonny, are not about better T's and C's, they're about the maintenance and expansion of power, that great old discredited chestnut fresh from the pages of Das Kapital. If you think differently, I suggest you stop being the turgid, screeching howler monkey your bluster suggests you are, and have a better look at the world of airline flying and damage inflicted on it by unions over the years.
I did mention that maturity to see Ryanair for what it is was an important prerequisite for anyone thinking of joining. Seems clear, Grim, that you're woefully under qualified in that department. Good luck, sounds like you'll need it.
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Interesting management point of view there Ms Turret. I confess I shall lie awake tonight trying to think which manager wrote that missive.
Although if indeed, and I find this unlikely, you are a pilot, maybe you should ask yourself why the vast majority of your colleagues disagree with you. And you might also like to ask why, after years of being ambivalent towards unions, we are all flocking to join?
You say maturity is a prerequisite, I suggest that willingness to see your livlihood and profession attacked continually and to watch your ts and cs continually erode, and do nothing about it, is a sign of stupidity, not maturity.
Although if indeed, and I find this unlikely, you are a pilot, maybe you should ask yourself why the vast majority of your colleagues disagree with you. And you might also like to ask why, after years of being ambivalent towards unions, we are all flocking to join?
You say maturity is a prerequisite, I suggest that willingness to see your livlihood and profession attacked continually and to watch your ts and cs continually erode, and do nothing about it, is a sign of stupidity, not maturity.
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Generalisations, oh dear........
Hi Maximus,
Not a management point of view, its mine. And if by "vast majority of your colleagues disagree with you", you mean the few disgruntled whingers who like to post their so-called complaints here, then I suggest you need a basic lesson in maths.
Ryanair has over 800 pilots. Its inevitable that some will complain, but then its always the same whiney voices, isn't it Max, and usually with the same hollow pleas.
Coffee this, water that, jump seat back from East Midlands, yarda yarda yarda. The fact is, Ryanair Captain's both contractors and those with permanent Ryanair contracts are among the highest paid in Europe, if not the world. The reason why this is so, is that we have the great good fortune to work for a highly profitable airline. Sure, beginning F/O's are on a rough deal to start with, but it doesn't last long. Anyway, what industry doesn't have a probationary period? If you stick it out through the first hard bit, though, you have a great career with excellent potential for command, more rapidly than any other company I yet know about.
Permanent senior UK based F/O's take home between 3 and 4 thousand quid in their hands every month, Captains between 5 and 6. Frankly, at these rates, I don't mind filling my own water bottle and bringing a jar of Nescafé to work with me. Sounds like you do, though, and I'm sorry for you. It's just that its never struck me as that big a deal.
Not a management point of view, its mine. And if by "vast majority of your colleagues disagree with you", you mean the few disgruntled whingers who like to post their so-called complaints here, then I suggest you need a basic lesson in maths.
Ryanair has over 800 pilots. Its inevitable that some will complain, but then its always the same whiney voices, isn't it Max, and usually with the same hollow pleas.
Coffee this, water that, jump seat back from East Midlands, yarda yarda yarda. The fact is, Ryanair Captain's both contractors and those with permanent Ryanair contracts are among the highest paid in Europe, if not the world. The reason why this is so, is that we have the great good fortune to work for a highly profitable airline. Sure, beginning F/O's are on a rough deal to start with, but it doesn't last long. Anyway, what industry doesn't have a probationary period? If you stick it out through the first hard bit, though, you have a great career with excellent potential for command, more rapidly than any other company I yet know about.
Permanent senior UK based F/O's take home between 3 and 4 thousand quid in their hands every month, Captains between 5 and 6. Frankly, at these rates, I don't mind filling my own water bottle and bringing a jar of Nescafé to work with me. Sounds like you do, though, and I'm sorry for you. It's just that its never struck me as that big a deal.
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OK thanks for the replies but Ozi I don't want to be a contract pilot. You guys are happy to take the money but aren't too bothered about long-term employment or conditions. I was asking the current Ryanair pilots if they would recommend switching from EZY to Ryanair, but I agree the pay is the main attraction at this moment.
I am an existing Balpa member for a very good reason - I am a specialist in a closed employment market. If I couldn't fly I couldn't earn £45000 a year unless I went into business for myself. Without union representation there are several other "evil genius accountants" out there who would love to separate me from my good salary as a UK pilot. Highly-paid specialists need strong unionisation, otherwise they might as well kiss their comfortable lives goodbye.
O'Leary calls it the British Airways Low Pay Association, but BALPA / REPA are the very agents MOL fears as they presume to take away his despotic powers over a large and very necessary chunk of his personnel.
Contract pilots with the same mercenary attitude as his Highness are going to be a very essential part of the scene in the future I think.
I am an existing Balpa member for a very good reason - I am a specialist in a closed employment market. If I couldn't fly I couldn't earn £45000 a year unless I went into business for myself. Without union representation there are several other "evil genius accountants" out there who would love to separate me from my good salary as a UK pilot. Highly-paid specialists need strong unionisation, otherwise they might as well kiss their comfortable lives goodbye.
O'Leary calls it the British Airways Low Pay Association, but BALPA / REPA are the very agents MOL fears as they presume to take away his despotic powers over a large and very necessary chunk of his personnel.
Contract pilots with the same mercenary attitude as his Highness are going to be a very essential part of the scene in the future I think.
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Ms Turret, you and i both know the "disgruntled whiners" on prune are merely the tip of the iceberg.
I can assure you, You Gimboid, that the prevalent attitude amongst the vast majority of the permanent lads is major disgruntlement and anger. Ms Turret is trivialising the issues as coffee and water; it goes of course way beyond this to such somewhat more important issues such as the viability of long term lucrative employment, commensurate with the professionalism required, without the constant worry of kickings in the teeth and other shaftings. As a contractor, this appears not to worry Ms turret, however as a potential permanent pilot, it should worry you a lot. Your comments are quite accurate in all respects about BALPA/REPA. Ryanair pilots are not joining for fun.
I can assure you, You Gimboid, that the prevalent attitude amongst the vast majority of the permanent lads is major disgruntlement and anger. Ms Turret is trivialising the issues as coffee and water; it goes of course way beyond this to such somewhat more important issues such as the viability of long term lucrative employment, commensurate with the professionalism required, without the constant worry of kickings in the teeth and other shaftings. As a contractor, this appears not to worry Ms turret, however as a potential permanent pilot, it should worry you a lot. Your comments are quite accurate in all respects about BALPA/REPA. Ryanair pilots are not joining for fun.
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Issues of substance?
Hi Max,
Nope, I don't know very well. I've worked out of every base except Dublin and the vast majority (to use your words) are quite contented campers. So, either you're formulating your views based on what you see in Dublin, for which I cannot speak, or you're allowing yourself to be adversely influenced by a few vocal malcontents who huff and puff with what they presume to be righteous indignation.
Now, as for the essence of your complaint.
Long term lucrative employment? Give me a break! Ryanair is the most profitable airline on the planet...by a long stretch, as it happens...how much more viable to you want? Commensurate with the whatnow? What is it you want, exactly, Max? Chauffeur driven to work, company funded BJ while you sign in? Perhaps reclining on an enormous cushion in the crewroom whilst being fanned by a swarthy native wielding a vast palm frond?
Wake up and smell the bananas, Max. I take the view that I am a small, though important, cog in a vast machine. I work hard, for which I am paid VERY well, and on time. Perhaps you've not known the special pleasure that comes from working for failing companies, or from having to call the boss after your pay is a week overdue. If so, you're a lucky man in one sense, but deprived in another because, quite obviously, you have no idea how lucky you are.
Nope, I don't know very well. I've worked out of every base except Dublin and the vast majority (to use your words) are quite contented campers. So, either you're formulating your views based on what you see in Dublin, for which I cannot speak, or you're allowing yourself to be adversely influenced by a few vocal malcontents who huff and puff with what they presume to be righteous indignation.
Now, as for the essence of your complaint.
such somewhat more important issues such as the viability of long term lucrative employment, commensurate with the professionalism required
Wake up and smell the bananas, Max. I take the view that I am a small, though important, cog in a vast machine. I work hard, for which I am paid VERY well, and on time. Perhaps you've not known the special pleasure that comes from working for failing companies, or from having to call the boss after your pay is a week overdue. If so, you're a lucky man in one sense, but deprived in another because, quite obviously, you have no idea how lucky you are.
