BA verses EZY
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Being an easy veteran of one year there is no doubt in my mind that this is purely a stepping stone. It all depends on your age. If you are young go for the flag carrier, if not and especially if you live or would like to live in the provinces then easy is an option.
Easy has a few positive points, newish machines (apart from the ex Go 300's, where did they find them!) Most importantly they are hiring and will continue to do so, be advised though that the screening is no sunday stroll. Time to command is relatively short, although I have been told by my base captain that there are no more course places this year as FO's cannot be spared, good news for the Parc guys!
Negatives, well there are plenty! Don't believe the hype about orange culture it is complete rubbish, they try to model themselves on South West but only play lip service. Training at CTC, I have never been to one place with so many conceited ******'s under one roof. It is only a rolls royce course (as the manager tells you on day one) because they are charging so much money that all the instructors can afford to drive them! To be fair a few of the instructors were good. I will fly at least 850 hours this year, no doubt, and so will the majority of my colleages if not all at our base. That is alot of short haul flying in busy airspace, you will be tired at times. I would say staff travel is a joke but it is not funny anymore, (strangely enough our CEO has industry travel as he still consults for ANZ), but the workers at the coal face get a very poor deal indeed.
In short a flag carrier (like BA) has far superior terms and conditions than any low cost airline ever will, it is not a difficult decision.
Safe Flying and keep smiling , it makes the management nervous!
Easy has a few positive points, newish machines (apart from the ex Go 300's, where did they find them!) Most importantly they are hiring and will continue to do so, be advised though that the screening is no sunday stroll. Time to command is relatively short, although I have been told by my base captain that there are no more course places this year as FO's cannot be spared, good news for the Parc guys!
Negatives, well there are plenty! Don't believe the hype about orange culture it is complete rubbish, they try to model themselves on South West but only play lip service. Training at CTC, I have never been to one place with so many conceited ******'s under one roof. It is only a rolls royce course (as the manager tells you on day one) because they are charging so much money that all the instructors can afford to drive them! To be fair a few of the instructors were good. I will fly at least 850 hours this year, no doubt, and so will the majority of my colleages if not all at our base. That is alot of short haul flying in busy airspace, you will be tired at times. I would say staff travel is a joke but it is not funny anymore, (strangely enough our CEO has industry travel as he still consults for ANZ), but the workers at the coal face get a very poor deal indeed.
In short a flag carrier (like BA) has far superior terms and conditions than any low cost airline ever will, it is not a difficult decision.
Safe Flying and keep smiling , it makes the management nervous!
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I think BA's terms & conditions are only gonna get worse to be able to survive (look at the new pension deal)
1 bn pension debt.........
Ezy terms & conditions will only get better to able to retain their crews.
By the way.... 3 ezy pilots have walked away from the BA interview last month. New pension offer worse than EZY's present!
Regards
1 bn pension debt.........
Ezy terms & conditions will only get better to able to retain their crews.
By the way.... 3 ezy pilots have walked away from the BA interview last month. New pension offer worse than EZY's present!
Regards
I'll put up any ex-GO machine against the likes of Yankee Bonfire or Yankee Dog you impertinent swine!
Horses for courses I guess. During my line training a very wise Chief Pilot said to me, "Son, there is no such thing as the perfect flying job - don't make yourself miserable trying to find it".
Which I think was very sound advice.
Cheers
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Horses for courses I guess. During my line training a very wise Chief Pilot said to me, "Son, there is no such thing as the perfect flying job - don't make yourself miserable trying to find it".
Which I think was very sound advice.
Cheers
WWW
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English is not even my second language mate, if you wish we can continue this conversation in Danish, German, Swedish, Norwegian or even Spanish.
By more varied, what is your criteria? Destinations, aircraft type, freigth or pax? In those respects, BA may only offer more in the way of destinations, all the other European airlines I mentioned offer way more in the way of aircraft types and the option to go freighters. I belive GSS does not recruit from BA mainline, but please feel free to correct me.
Dansk er vist ikke dit bedste sprog, er det?
By more varied, what is your criteria? Destinations, aircraft type, freigth or pax? In those respects, BA may only offer more in the way of destinations, all the other European airlines I mentioned offer way more in the way of aircraft types and the option to go freighters. I belive GSS does not recruit from BA mainline, but please feel free to correct me.
Dansk er vist ikke dit bedste sprog, er det?
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Definatley BA, the birds are better!EZY is too much like hard work. It is not a career airline but a training organisation. Good for starting a career and good for finishing a career but crap for the 35 years in between. Trust me, I left. Best move I ever. I have a life now!
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7E7,
It would seem to me, from your opening comment, that you are seeking a speedy command. If that is the case, then BA is not the solution.
What does matter is whether you are seeking a career. In that career you may want a choice of flying different types and on different - long/short-haul- routes. In that case an LCA is not the solution. In LCA the last year will be very similar to the first. A speedy command, but then perhaps years of boredom doing the same old same. However, familiarity may bring some contentment, or the early command will give oportunity to seek other adventures.
Financially, from some posts, a good life can be had in LCA's at 75% salary. In a major you probably get the same at 100%, and the fringe B's will always be better, e.g. interline.
What is of consideration, and ask some of your peers about this, is that LCA's may retire you at 60, but perhaps you may need to go longer for financial reasons, whereas most majors release you at 55 with hopefully a decent retirement pot to allow you free choice what to do. (please dont start a thread about BA's new pension plans not being final salary).
It all depends whether you are seeking a life style or an elevation in rank. A long-haul command is no big deal. An F/O has the same thrill just less money for doing it. IMHO the long-haul flying should be done by the under 45's anyway, F/O or captain, then revert to short haul. A major will allow you to bid for long-haul types as an F/O, experience the life style and make your choices when command comes later.
It's not so simple a question after all; it depends on your expectations and ambitions.
It would seem to me, from your opening comment, that you are seeking a speedy command. If that is the case, then BA is not the solution.
What does matter is whether you are seeking a career. In that career you may want a choice of flying different types and on different - long/short-haul- routes. In that case an LCA is not the solution. In LCA the last year will be very similar to the first. A speedy command, but then perhaps years of boredom doing the same old same. However, familiarity may bring some contentment, or the early command will give oportunity to seek other adventures.
Financially, from some posts, a good life can be had in LCA's at 75% salary. In a major you probably get the same at 100%, and the fringe B's will always be better, e.g. interline.
What is of consideration, and ask some of your peers about this, is that LCA's may retire you at 60, but perhaps you may need to go longer for financial reasons, whereas most majors release you at 55 with hopefully a decent retirement pot to allow you free choice what to do. (please dont start a thread about BA's new pension plans not being final salary).
It all depends whether you are seeking a life style or an elevation in rank. A long-haul command is no big deal. An F/O has the same thrill just less money for doing it. IMHO the long-haul flying should be done by the under 45's anyway, F/O or captain, then revert to short haul. A major will allow you to bid for long-haul types as an F/O, experience the life style and make your choices when command comes later.
It's not so simple a question after all; it depends on your expectations and ambitions.
