BA DEP rumour
840hrs comes from someone who did that at Gatwick last year. I didn't know Carmen was going.
Doubtless BA will not struggle to recruit - especially if they do reinstate the pension. As I've said all along.
Its been said for decades that BA's T&C's aren't what they used to yadda yadda yadda... who would bother with them... blah blah blah. This was just another of those discussions.
The good news is that they are finally recruiting again.
Cheers,
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Doubtless BA will not struggle to recruit - especially if they do reinstate the pension. As I've said all along.
Its been said for decades that BA's T&C's aren't what they used to yadda yadda yadda... who would bother with them... blah blah blah. This was just another of those discussions.
The good news is that they are finally recruiting again.
Cheers,
WWW
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Slim,
anyone whose been reading the board since 1998 will know that the Welsh Wonder won't be applying to BA
I can assure you 840 hours is Rubbish. As is the definite implementation of Bid Line at LGW.
anyone whose been reading the board since 1998 will know that the Welsh Wonder won't be applying to BA
I can assure you 840 hours is Rubbish. As is the definite implementation of Bid Line at LGW.
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Scroggs,
I can keep it clean, but don't chuck your toys when I point out information coming from your esteemed moderator is complete rubbish .Furthermore, as you can tell I detest the constant inacurate diatribe about life in general at BA from an ill informed outsider.
I can keep it clean, but don't chuck your toys when I point out information coming from your esteemed moderator is complete rubbish .Furthermore, as you can tell I detest the constant inacurate diatribe about life in general at BA from an ill informed outsider.
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I thought that Da Dog's comments were useful to the wannabe since they are informative and true.
Surely what should be moderated are baseless comments rather than the opposite.
Just a thought anyway.
Surely what should be moderated are baseless comments rather than the opposite.
Just a thought anyway.
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I'm still at the ppl atpl stage so this does not affect me, but I'm just musing over some of these comments.
Accorcding to some above, a lot of LCC and charter pilots will not apply to BA for various reasons mentioned. Also BA's T&C's not that great to attract suitable pilots.
Taking this to an extreme (hypothetically), what if the situation arose where they could not attract the DEP's required number? (highly unlikely I think), would BA then open up to newbies? If so I would guess they would call on BAE, Oxford etc for the integrated boys and girls. And finally on the modular people. Or would they take on foreign DEP's first? Any comments?
Accorcding to some above, a lot of LCC and charter pilots will not apply to BA for various reasons mentioned. Also BA's T&C's not that great to attract suitable pilots.
Taking this to an extreme (hypothetically), what if the situation arose where they could not attract the DEP's required number? (highly unlikely I think), would BA then open up to newbies? If so I would guess they would call on BAE, Oxford etc for the integrated boys and girls. And finally on the modular people. Or would they take on foreign DEP's first? Any comments?
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That scenario will never, I repeat NEVER happen.
BA will always be able to attract people from UK airlines. Maybe not from Britannia...people like AMEX...however they will be able to get enough from others.
BA, like all airlines are in a food chain. BA are near the top, so even if the terms are not what they were in the past...they are still likely to be better than other airlines.
And BA will always get some people to apply in order to say.... I work for BA.
On your question though, I imagine they would go to OAT,CTC etc.
That scenario will never, I repeat NEVER happen.
BA will always be able to attract people from UK airlines. Maybe not from Britannia...people like AMEX...however they will be able to get enough from others.
BA, like all airlines are in a food chain. BA are near the top, so even if the terms are not what they were in the past...they are still likely to be better than other airlines.
And BA will always get some people to apply in order to say.... I work for BA.
On your question though, I imagine they would go to OAT,CTC etc.
They will attract the DEPs they need. If they didn't they would just up the package a bit. Even as it stands they'd get plenty of interest and if they are offering the final salary pension for new joiners then there will be considerable interest throughout the industry.
Lots of people seem to be saying that the old style full sponsorship cadet scheme is now a thing of the past and I have no reason to disbelieve that view.
Cheers
WWW
Lots of people seem to be saying that the old style full sponsorship cadet scheme is now a thing of the past and I have no reason to disbelieve that view.
Cheers
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DaDog, I'm sorry, but phrases like 'chuck your toys' are exactly the sort of rudeness I mean. You wouldn't talk to me like that if we were face to face, so why do it on this board?
When inaccuracies are posted, by all means correct them - if you are certain of your facts. If you have a difference of opinion, by all means argue your corner, but if you can't do it without aggressive and provocative language then I'd rather you didn't do it at all. It's unhelpful, disrespectful of all the other users of this forum, and unnecessary, whatever your personal opinion of WWW.
Johnnypharm there is no danger of BA not getting the numbers of DEPs that it needs, though the sources may not be what they were in the past. Any kind of direct-entry fATPL recruiting seems very unlikely to me, as BA have always preferred to have control over the training of their ab-initio recruits. They can always get the experienced DEPs to fill their short-term needs while they develop a replacement for the old Cadet system, should they decide that's the way they want to go.
Scroggs
When inaccuracies are posted, by all means correct them - if you are certain of your facts. If you have a difference of opinion, by all means argue your corner, but if you can't do it without aggressive and provocative language then I'd rather you didn't do it at all. It's unhelpful, disrespectful of all the other users of this forum, and unnecessary, whatever your personal opinion of WWW.
Johnnypharm there is no danger of BA not getting the numbers of DEPs that it needs, though the sources may not be what they were in the past. Any kind of direct-entry fATPL recruiting seems very unlikely to me, as BA have always preferred to have control over the training of their ab-initio recruits. They can always get the experienced DEPs to fill their short-term needs while they develop a replacement for the old Cadet system, should they decide that's the way they want to go.
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Wheelbarrow, WWW, Scroggs
I know the scenario I mentioned will never happen, that is why I put the word "hypothetically" in the prose.
The only reason this scenario came into my head was that there were a lot of reasons for not becoming a BA DEP in this thread and lots of reasons for remaining a LCC or charter airline pilot.
Finally I said, "taking it to extremes" there being not enough DEP applications I was just wondering wht the pecking order would be (hypothetically of course) if this was in fact the case.
John
The only reason this scenario came into my head was that there were a lot of reasons for not becoming a BA DEP in this thread and lots of reasons for remaining a LCC or charter airline pilot.
Finally I said, "taking it to extremes" there being not enough DEP applications I was just wondering wht the pecking order would be (hypothetically of course) if this was in fact the case.
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If BA don't get enough interest following the first attempt the requirement will reduce to 2000hrs experience then 1500, then 1000, then low hour people from integrated courses though this has never happened in the past and is unlikely to happen any time soon. I certainly don't think they'll be upping the package a bit.
I don't think they'd need to up the package - just include the Final Salary Pension for new joiners. That seems to be the deal breaker for a lot of people.
Frankly it will be very interesting indeed to see what happens when BA starts hiring again. One hears so many views and theories that the actuality will be enlightening.
For the bonding and promotion reasons stated some posts ago I don't see a flood of people leaving EZY for it. The case for Virgin appears sound. Can't see too many coming back from the desert once they've taken the big plunge and Done It.
Would people in the BA franchises not be the most likely candidates? Same job, different (better) T&C's and no worries about franchise renewal. Maybe, who knows.
All good stuff though for the Wannabe in the street. Time to start training I think.
Perhaps - as has been seen in the past - there will be an initial burst of job opportunities as things finally turn into an upswing. Promptly followed a year later by a tidal wave of people who started or renewed their training on the basis of the initial burst.
Cheers
WWW
Frankly it will be very interesting indeed to see what happens when BA starts hiring again. One hears so many views and theories that the actuality will be enlightening.
For the bonding and promotion reasons stated some posts ago I don't see a flood of people leaving EZY for it. The case for Virgin appears sound. Can't see too many coming back from the desert once they've taken the big plunge and Done It.
Would people in the BA franchises not be the most likely candidates? Same job, different (better) T&C's and no worries about franchise renewal. Maybe, who knows.
All good stuff though for the Wannabe in the street. Time to start training I think.
Perhaps - as has been seen in the past - there will be an initial burst of job opportunities as things finally turn into an upswing. Promptly followed a year later by a tidal wave of people who started or renewed their training on the basis of the initial burst.
Cheers
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Spoke with a BA skipper last night very briefly after a long haul sector to the new side of the pond. Recruting is in fact firing up and he mentioned a few things. 100 pilots plus was said and requirements would be full ATPL, 2500 hours with a type etc. It is safe to say that this will attract plenty of attention from those with the requirements. The airline does have a fairly steady retirement flow so recrutiment could be steady for some time.
It all adds up to an improving future in the UK market. Coupled with Easy and Ryans needs not to mention of course Virgin and others, things are on the up and up.
It all adds up to an improving future in the UK market. Coupled with Easy and Ryans needs not to mention of course Virgin and others, things are on the up and up.
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Yes, I agree that this is all good news for wannabes. Whatever the requirements at BA finally turn out to be, it's clear that they must recruit soon, if only to remain at the strength they are now. The same is true of almost all European airlines, and the reports from BAA et al of record passenger numbers back up the impression that the recovery (at least on our side of the Atlantic) is well under way.
What I'd really like to see is a resurgence of the sponsorship schemes that were such a feature of the market just 5 or so years ago. There aren't too many substantial rumours yet, but I do think that it's only a matter of time. Hopefully, this recovery will also remove, or seriously reduce, the pressure for new guys to pay for their own type ratings.
For now, we'll just have to wait and see what happens - but times are, at last, looking up.
Scroggs
What I'd really like to see is a resurgence of the sponsorship schemes that were such a feature of the market just 5 or so years ago. There aren't too many substantial rumours yet, but I do think that it's only a matter of time. Hopefully, this recovery will also remove, or seriously reduce, the pressure for new guys to pay for their own type ratings.
For now, we'll just have to wait and see what happens - but times are, at last, looking up.
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Would people in the BA franchises not be the most likely candidates? Same job, different (better) T&C's and no worries about franchise renewal.
Just to add, GB recruits cadets from ab initio courses and seemingly will continue to do so for the future.
I would imagine they will recruit somewhat less than 130 and somewhat more than 125...if I were a betting man!
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What I'd really like to see is a resurgence of the sponsorship schemes that were such a feature of the market just 5 or so years ago. There aren't too many substantial rumours yet, but I do think that it's only a matter of time.
From the employer's point of view, sure, they may allow for a certain amount of certainty in their recruitment planning in times of 'genuine' pilot shortages, and perhaps even ensure a bit of hypothetical gratitude and loyalty from a portion of their crews, but we are still a long long way away from a 'pilot shortage' at the FATPL level by anyone's standards.
What I'd like to see is their permanent demise from the UK market forever more ... to make this place more like every other part of the world, where a shiny jet job is actually the reward for the people who have proved their worth and their commitment by doing a few years of hard work in pistons and turboprops. As opposed to getting it handed to them on a big silver plate with 200 hours to their names
F.W.I.W. the gossip I have, is that the BA ab-initio cadet sponsorship is gone, forever, or at least never to return while Mr Eddington is in charge. Can't say I'm crying in my milk over it
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So what happens then to the many people who have the commitment, passion, determination and intelligence to fly jets, but don't have the chance to access the profession of their dreams due to lack of finance to pay for there own training?
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Well said Luke
It’s a tough World out there Silent boy.
Why should some little smart arse have it put on a plate to them when there are hundreds out there who have risked everything and get nothing. Don't give me all that tosh about lack of finance. I've met scores of people who have done ****e jobs day and night to save the pennies. It can be done if you're cut out.
It really winds me up hearing those whingers on the other sponsorship thread running at the mo who go on about how worried they are because they haven't received a notification emails and missed cut-off dates blah blah blah. They ought to have some of the REAL worries of others on here who can't pay the mortgage or fill the car with petrol.
Having said that sponsorships provide a small number compared to the general picture, but the less I hear about them the better!
It’s a tough World out there Silent boy.
Why should some little smart arse have it put on a plate to them when there are hundreds out there who have risked everything and get nothing. Don't give me all that tosh about lack of finance. I've met scores of people who have done ****e jobs day and night to save the pennies. It can be done if you're cut out.
It really winds me up hearing those whingers on the other sponsorship thread running at the mo who go on about how worried they are because they haven't received a notification emails and missed cut-off dates blah blah blah. They ought to have some of the REAL worries of others on here who can't pay the mortgage or fill the car with petrol.
Having said that sponsorships provide a small number compared to the general picture, but the less I hear about them the better!