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Kalitta
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From: Seattle
Reasonable rumor...
Polar is about to give several airplanes back to the lessors as a result of the bankruptcy. Those lessors will want to lease them to someone else. Kalitta has the $$...
Bad news for Polar, though... Kalitta and their Pacific Air Cargo (Ned Wallace) partner are going head to head against Polar in the Pacific region, and more competition will likely reduce Polar's load factors even more...
Polar is about to give several airplanes back to the lessors as a result of the bankruptcy. Those lessors will want to lease them to someone else. Kalitta has the $$...
Bad news for Polar, though... Kalitta and their Pacific Air Cargo (Ned Wallace) partner are going head to head against Polar in the Pacific region, and more competition will likely reduce Polar's load factors even more...
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From: US
....ahhhhh Intruder
Try to keep up will-ya.
The mighty economist that sits sideways for Polar has told us in no uncertain terms that it is yield that counts, not load factor.
So really all the Polaroids have to do is up the price a little and they will be able to compete with Kallitta and Ned Wallace on those Pacific runs.
Try to keep up will-ya.
The mighty economist that sits sideways for Polar has told us in no uncertain terms that it is yield that counts, not load factor.
So really all the Polaroids have to do is up the price a little and they will be able to compete with Kallitta and Ned Wallace on those Pacific runs.
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Joined: Jan 2004
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From: Disneyland
Micro, I agree. All of the Kalitta's a/c are bought and paid for...read no bank payments, zero, zip. How would Polar or Atlas compete with that? Not to mention their own 747 maintainace facility in Oskoda.
Heard that they will start hiring again soon.
Heard that they will start hiring again soon.
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From: Ann Arbor, MI
Any recent news?
Has anyone heard any recent news on them? New airplanes or stuff like that? I've heard they are interviewing for some First Officers FO and appropiate numbers of FEs.
In other Kalitta news, I found this:
Kalitta Air Selects CMC Electronics For B747 Cockpit Avionics Upgrade Program
Looks like they are updating their existing B747s with FMSs and EFIS. They mention 14 other carriers have updated with B747s with it. Anyone know who's using it?
iaflyer
In other Kalitta news, I found this:
Kalitta Air Selects CMC Electronics For B747 Cockpit Avionics Upgrade Program
Looks like they are updating their existing B747s with FMSs and EFIS. They mention 14 other carriers have updated with B747s with it. Anyone know who's using it?
iaflyer
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From: New York
Just talked to an old FE friend of mine and he said when he spoke to the people at Kalitta, the implied they were not going to hire PFE's. They are planning on going to a 2nd officer program, ie. pilot FE's. Could he be looking into the future and the -400's?
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From: Florida
Kalitta Air
Zoner said but true. I understand Kalitta carries flight mech. on just about all their flights. Thus a PFE isn't really necessary. Regretable, but the demise of the PFE started in the 1960's with Eastern, TWA, National, PAA, and Northwest Airlines, for those of you that can remember that far back. All but one carrier has meet its demise. I guess somedays you have to accept the fact you are the Pigeon and somedays you are the statue.
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From: Disneyland
The demise of PFE started way back in 1965 when they Douglas rolled out the first DC-9. Weighing in at 79,999 lbs, it just squeaked under the FAA >80,000 lb/ FE requirement rule.
No doubt, the third set of eyes have been valuable and has proven itself many times. Many of the accidents could have been averted if there was a third guy on board. They also make a great tie-breaker in the cockpit.
As far as SO goes, great as a heavy crew on a two man cockpit aircraft but on the a/c that requires FE, they tend to get "seat distraction".
No doubt, the third set of eyes have been valuable and has proven itself many times. Many of the accidents could have been averted if there was a third guy on board. They also make a great tie-breaker in the cockpit.
As far as SO goes, great as a heavy crew on a two man cockpit aircraft but on the a/c that requires FE, they tend to get "seat distraction".
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From: Ann Arbor, MI
PFEs
I just started class there. For those who are interested, it was 12 FOs and 6 PFEs. The PFEs are all furloughed Kitty Hawk Intl'l guys, who are being recalled via their contract. The majority of the FOs in the class had either 747 time or other heavy time.
Apparently, all the pilots found jobs, while the PFEs are returning. As I understand it, there are enough PFEs on the recall list to cover the rest of the hiring this year. I haven't heard anything about PFE vs 2nd officer.
They do carry a flight mechanic on board.
iaflyer
Apparently, all the pilots found jobs, while the PFEs are returning. As I understand it, there are enough PFEs on the recall list to cover the rest of the hiring this year. I haven't heard anything about PFE vs 2nd officer.
They do carry a flight mechanic on board.
iaflyer
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From: Trailer in BC
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From: Seattle
Heath Nicoll
818 Willow Run Airport
Ypsilanti MI 48198
www.airlinepilotpay.com
I'm in class right now and there are going to be 5 more upgrade classes with at least 10 per class this year. (I assume 5 FO/FE newhires as well) Currently there are only 51 FOs online so its very very likely that a few guys in my class will be CPTs by the end of 2005. With attrition and a little luck, maybe all of us...
818 Willow Run Airport
Ypsilanti MI 48198
www.airlinepilotpay.com
I'm in class right now and there are going to be 5 more upgrade classes with at least 10 per class this year. (I assume 5 FO/FE newhires as well) Currently there are only 51 FOs online so its very very likely that a few guys in my class will be CPTs by the end of 2005. With attrition and a little luck, maybe all of us...
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From: Over here
A little off the current thread but I see the Australian HeavyLift Cargo Airlines Pty Ltd (heavylifted in livery but a dubious conx. with UK company other than grabbing the Belfast ) have applied for routes Australia-Shanghai-Amsterdam-USA-Australia using Kalitta B742F and sighting Ned Wallace and Connie Kalitta as underwriting the base operations.
If they could just get Mr. Kalita name correct on the application, heavylift your game SPAM (South Pacific Airmotive) you need to compete heavily with QF and MP and the others on these routes. You may view the application on www.iasc.gov.au/iasccurr.aspx the SPAM link is also interesting reading.
If they could just get Mr. Kalita name correct on the application, heavylift your game SPAM (South Pacific Airmotive) you need to compete heavily with QF and MP and the others on these routes. You may view the application on www.iasc.gov.au/iasccurr.aspx the SPAM link is also interesting reading.
