Air Atlanta Icelandic assessment
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Air Atlanta Icelandic assessment
Hi!
Help needed. Im going to test and interview with
Air Atlanta Icelandic next week.
I want to prepare the best possible way. Is there
any one out there that has been to these tests?
I would be great to know what to expect.
Best regards
Stian
Help needed. Im going to test and interview with
Air Atlanta Icelandic next week.
I want to prepare the best possible way. Is there
any one out there that has been to these tests?
I would be great to know what to expect.
Best regards
Stian
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From: Suitcase....
The assessment is acutally quite easy and you can do it at home. First find a mirror, hold it under your nose and exhale. If it fogs up, you pass!!!
Sorry to be so cynical, but it's not far from the truth!!!
Good Luck
Sorry to be so cynical, but it's not far from the truth!!!
Good Luck
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Keep us informed, please
I suspect most of us are interested in this strand, so please tell:
Where is the interview, and when recovered a rough idea as to format.
Then perhaps a full breakdown of Terms and Conditions....as you are told, not a third party passing on a overheard chat in a pub.....Thanks.
Where is the interview, and when recovered a rough idea as to format.
Then perhaps a full breakdown of Terms and Conditions....as you are told, not a third party passing on a overheard chat in a pub.....Thanks.
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From: Suitcase....
Flight_Cru... I left AAI quite a while ago. But, I did have some friends send me a copy of the "new and improved" contract. I had a good laugh at it.
I can't remember all the details, but some of the highlights are as follows:
1) I believe it's 24 in the first year with another week added the second year. It's acutally an accural from the first year. After year one you then get 30 days off/year. The old contract was, no work, no pay. Simple.
2) The daily pay went down from 250us/day to something lower. It worked out that you paid for your own "vacation" days. I think for most Captains the pay cut was about 1000/mo.
Jerry O'Springer has done his best to put some good spin on the contract. He will go on and on about what a good deal it is. He even called me to offer it to me a few months ago.
As Twin2040 wrote, if you're young and single then it's not too bad. However, if you want any type of family life, then I think a job at McDonalds might be better.
Good Luck
I can't remember all the details, but some of the highlights are as follows:
1) I believe it's 24 in the first year with another week added the second year. It's acutally an accural from the first year. After year one you then get 30 days off/year. The old contract was, no work, no pay. Simple.
2) The daily pay went down from 250us/day to something lower. It worked out that you paid for your own "vacation" days. I think for most Captains the pay cut was about 1000/mo.
Jerry O'Springer has done his best to put some good spin on the contract. He will go on and on about what a good deal it is. He even called me to offer it to me a few months ago.
As Twin2040 wrote, if you're young and single then it's not too bad. However, if you want any type of family life, then I think a job at McDonalds might be better.
Good Luck
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Actually, the terms/conditions were not all that bad up until 1999 or thereabouts, then when the poison dwarf came in the picture, rapidly down hill, as Phil has described.
Senior check/training guys (including yours truly) used to clear 10.5 to 12K per month....these days are long gone, so i'm told.
Expect little improvement soon.
Senior check/training guys (including yours truly) used to clear 10.5 to 12K per month....these days are long gone, so i'm told.
Expect little improvement soon.
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It's all just mirrors and smokescreens with Jerry O'Tantrum. When I complained about the package that they offered sometime ago, he accused me of being motivated by the "greed factor."
teis Hajj means you'll be away from home, living in a Middle East compound in Jeddah, earning AAI Peanuts, flying the Muslim Pilgrims on their annual crusade.
Don't panic about the assesment: whoever gets invited, gets in! But beware: If I were you, I would certainly not put any money up for a type rating. These guys will drop you like a hot potato the minute someone says the words "economic hiccup." And Jerry O'Two-face; he'll have a knife in your back before you can say "Jack The Ripper!!!"
teis Hajj means you'll be away from home, living in a Middle East compound in Jeddah, earning AAI Peanuts, flying the Muslim Pilgrims on their annual crusade.
Don't panic about the assesment: whoever gets invited, gets in! But beware: If I were you, I would certainly not put any money up for a type rating. These guys will drop you like a hot potato the minute someone says the words "economic hiccup." And Jerry O'Two-face; he'll have a knife in your back before you can say "Jack The Ripper!!!"
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From: Suitcase....
AMEN!!!!!
The whole AAI experience is like trying to describe an ocean to someone who has never seen one. Anyone who has been with a "real" airline will get their eyes opened with what goes on at AAI.
I can't agree more about putting up $$$$ for a type rating. Again, they'll drop you like a hot potato for just about anything. The "contract" is entirely one sided and not worth the paper it's printed on.
The real sad thing is AAI could be a great place. Plenty of different types of flying, great people (especially the expats). But it's not. They are always playing games. If you ask a question you will never get a truthful answer. It is impossible.
I can't stress the fact if there is another job out there take it. Otherwise go for AAI but keep your CV active and bolt at the first change you get!!!!!
The whole AAI experience is like trying to describe an ocean to someone who has never seen one. Anyone who has been with a "real" airline will get their eyes opened with what goes on at AAI.
I can't agree more about putting up $$$$ for a type rating. Again, they'll drop you like a hot potato for just about anything. The "contract" is entirely one sided and not worth the paper it's printed on.
The real sad thing is AAI could be a great place. Plenty of different types of flying, great people (especially the expats). But it's not. They are always playing games. If you ask a question you will never get a truthful answer. It is impossible.
I can't stress the fact if there is another job out there take it. Otherwise go for AAI but keep your CV active and bolt at the first change you get!!!!!
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In summary:
1. Read the contract thoroughly, and have a lawyer do the same and advise you on it.
2. Do not pay AAI for a type rating. If you do, it WILL only be a matter of time before they shaft you.
3. Beware of advice offered at PPRuNe by so called "Senior check/training guys" who may NEVER have been employed there.
4. If you do join up; beware of the head-games that they play.
5. Whatever happens, avoid the AAI compulsion to take short cuts.
6. If you can get something else instead; take it!
7. Never agree on something unless you have it in writing.
8. Payment may or may not be on time.
9. Beware of Jerry O'Chip-on-the-shoulder! He has more faces than a used-care salesman!
10. If you already have a type rating, try Dragonair, NCA, European first!
1. Read the contract thoroughly, and have a lawyer do the same and advise you on it.
2. Do not pay AAI for a type rating. If you do, it WILL only be a matter of time before they shaft you.
3. Beware of advice offered at PPRuNe by so called "Senior check/training guys" who may NEVER have been employed there.
4. If you do join up; beware of the head-games that they play.
5. Whatever happens, avoid the AAI compulsion to take short cuts.
6. If you can get something else instead; take it!
7. Never agree on something unless you have it in writing.
8. Payment may or may not be on time.
9. Beware of Jerry O'Chip-on-the-shoulder! He has more faces than a used-care salesman!
10. If you already have a type rating, try Dragonair, NCA, European first!
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From: UK
One should remenber that you will be expected to violate all crew duty limitations, and fly against the DDPG.
You will also not be allowed to write anything up that will ground the aircraft.
If an accident should happen and you are investigated you have prior knowledge to this.
Ask any crew members that have left.
When they complained they were not asked back or at a lesser contract.
Crew leasing agents just pass this on as a minor problem.
Have the emails and complaints if neeeded
Better off working elsewhere.
Knew O springer when he was working at Direct.
Even bigger liar now.
You will also not be allowed to write anything up that will ground the aircraft.
If an accident should happen and you are investigated you have prior knowledge to this.
Ask any crew members that have left.
When they complained they were not asked back or at a lesser contract.
Crew leasing agents just pass this on as a minor problem.
Have the emails and complaints if neeeded
Better off working elsewhere.
Knew O springer when he was working at Direct.
Even bigger liar now.
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Howlowcanyougo,
I get it. You don't like the company. You know what, any regs they might break must be pretty small stuff considering the size of the company and time they've been around. AAI is a pretty decent job, not the best, but it not a schedueld service is it, obviously they "bid" for contracts and need to be competitive. If a pilot can't understand that airlines are there to make money, then he is a idiot. $175 a day for a single mid 20's guy like me who happens to have a 747 rating, but little time on type (company went bankrupt, layed off) is ok. EVERYONE, other than Perhaps BA and other 1st world majors breaks rules, being late on duty time, or departing with a "snag" is no big deal. Get the job done, be safe, and when the time comes give ample notice, resign and move on.
I get it. You don't like the company. You know what, any regs they might break must be pretty small stuff considering the size of the company and time they've been around. AAI is a pretty decent job, not the best, but it not a schedueld service is it, obviously they "bid" for contracts and need to be competitive. If a pilot can't understand that airlines are there to make money, then he is a idiot. $175 a day for a single mid 20's guy like me who happens to have a 747 rating, but little time on type (company went bankrupt, layed off) is ok. EVERYONE, other than Perhaps BA and other 1st world majors breaks rules, being late on duty time, or departing with a "snag" is no big deal. Get the job done, be safe, and when the time comes give ample notice, resign and move on.
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Earl,
You and I probably know each other. I left AAI about six months ago. Worst place in the world and the sad thing is it could be the greatest place.
I will second what Earl has written. Jerry O will tell you anything you want to hear. Direct's contract isn't worth the paper it's printed on. They/AAI still owe me money and I have had to hire a solictor in the UK to go after them.
It's really a little more than departing with a "snag" or a little bust of duty day. I have seen crews bust duty day by over 12 hours! I have seen aircraft depart with things other airlines would ground the aircraft. I will give you an example..last May TF-ARN aborted a t/o in KUL because of a tire that went flat. Turns out the reason it went flat was because the daily preflights had been penciled in. The tire was leaking an MX never checked it. Boeing did a little further investigating and turns out the tire/wheel/brake shop at Manston was breaking down the assemblies and rebuilding them with an unapproved method!
That is not an isolated instance...TF-ATE flying with rudder ratio inop for over 3 months. In the MMEL that grounds the aircraft. (it was stuck in the low speed mode).
I take to exception to what coldcanuck says. Airlines can make money by maintaining the a/c, by having productive crews. The AAI crews are not productive. I don't know anyone who would not fly 75 hours in 21 days and have the last 10 days off. But at AAI you might fly 65 hours and waste the whole month. That is not productivity. The rock heads have their 3on 3 off deal, but the expats could have a similar one, but it would require advance planning. That is alien to AAI.
I can assure ColdCanuck his time at AAI will not be viewed as quality time. I do some interviewing at a major airline and to be honest, AAI's reputation is well known. It's time that most companies will discount!!!
You and I probably know each other. I left AAI about six months ago. Worst place in the world and the sad thing is it could be the greatest place.
I will second what Earl has written. Jerry O will tell you anything you want to hear. Direct's contract isn't worth the paper it's printed on. They/AAI still owe me money and I have had to hire a solictor in the UK to go after them.
It's really a little more than departing with a "snag" or a little bust of duty day. I have seen crews bust duty day by over 12 hours! I have seen aircraft depart with things other airlines would ground the aircraft. I will give you an example..last May TF-ARN aborted a t/o in KUL because of a tire that went flat. Turns out the reason it went flat was because the daily preflights had been penciled in. The tire was leaking an MX never checked it. Boeing did a little further investigating and turns out the tire/wheel/brake shop at Manston was breaking down the assemblies and rebuilding them with an unapproved method!
That is not an isolated instance...TF-ATE flying with rudder ratio inop for over 3 months. In the MMEL that grounds the aircraft. (it was stuck in the low speed mode).
I take to exception to what coldcanuck says. Airlines can make money by maintaining the a/c, by having productive crews. The AAI crews are not productive. I don't know anyone who would not fly 75 hours in 21 days and have the last 10 days off. But at AAI you might fly 65 hours and waste the whole month. That is not productivity. The rock heads have their 3on 3 off deal, but the expats could have a similar one, but it would require advance planning. That is alien to AAI.
I can assure ColdCanuck his time at AAI will not be viewed as quality time. I do some interviewing at a major airline and to be honest, AAI's reputation is well known. It's time that most companies will discount!!!
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From: North Pole
Well Earl/Phil, I guess my question then becomes where does a guy who has a B747 type, 5000hrs TT, but little time on type go? There are Capts (expat Canadians) @ AAI that have been there for a long time, they have no issue, why? There seems to lots of work for experienced 747 guys, why don't they leave?