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That's Ryanair/cae !!!
Dear pilot,
We still have your application on file for the Ryanair B737-800 TQ course at CAE. The first assessment is anticipated March next year. However, due to the very large number of applications, it will not be possible for us to invite everyone for assessment.
We herewith draw your attention to the Ryanair Cabin Attendants course at CAE. You might consider to attend this course and start working for Ryanair as a Cabin Attendant. Please understand that this would not eventually guarantee you an assessment for the B737-800 TQ course. However, it will give you the opportunity to start working within Ryanair.
Please carefully read the general information as attached. If you are interested to attend the course, please fill out the attached application form and return it by e-mail to [email protected].
Thank you and best regards,
CAE Aviation Training
We still have your application on file for the Ryanair B737-800 TQ course at CAE. The first assessment is anticipated March next year. However, due to the very large number of applications, it will not be possible for us to invite everyone for assessment.
We herewith draw your attention to the Ryanair Cabin Attendants course at CAE. You might consider to attend this course and start working for Ryanair as a Cabin Attendant. Please understand that this would not eventually guarantee you an assessment for the B737-800 TQ course. However, it will give you the opportunity to start working within Ryanair.
Please carefully read the general information as attached. If you are interested to attend the course, please fill out the attached application form and return it by e-mail to [email protected].
Thank you and best regards,
CAE Aviation Training
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DUTCHMAN,
Yes you have to pay for the cabin crew training too.......read this................
Costs
Medical check: € 65,--
Cost of training: € 2.499,--
Fees are including taxes.
The job
· You will be offered a permanent position
· You will be based where most convenient to Ryanair; your preference will be taken into consideration
· Salary will be approximately € 1.500,-- per month net
· Generous travel concessions to destinations all over Europe
Accommodation and travelling
Accommodation and travelling during the Screening and the Training will be at your own expense and responsibility. CAE will try to support you in finding affordable accommodation.
Training start dates
Courses start throughout the year for successful candidates.
What next
Please fill in the attached CV template and save it as “yourname.doc”. Send it by e-mail to the following address: [email protected]. It will be filed by us and when we start recruiting we will contact suitable candidates.
After receiving your application, only suitable candidates will be contacted throughout the year. Unfortunately we are unable to inform you about the status of your application which we will keep on file. We wish you good luck and hope to welcome you to one of the CAE centres in near the future!
Yes you have to pay for the cabin crew training too.......read this................
Costs
Medical check: € 65,--
Cost of training: € 2.499,--
Fees are including taxes.
The job
· You will be offered a permanent position
· You will be based where most convenient to Ryanair; your preference will be taken into consideration
· Salary will be approximately € 1.500,-- per month net
· Generous travel concessions to destinations all over Europe
Accommodation and travelling
Accommodation and travelling during the Screening and the Training will be at your own expense and responsibility. CAE will try to support you in finding affordable accommodation.
Training start dates
Courses start throughout the year for successful candidates.
What next
Please fill in the attached CV template and save it as “yourname.doc”. Send it by e-mail to the following address: [email protected]. It will be filed by us and when we start recruiting we will contact suitable candidates.
After receiving your application, only suitable candidates will be contacted throughout the year. Unfortunately we are unable to inform you about the status of your application which we will keep on file. We wish you good luck and hope to welcome you to one of the CAE centres in near the future!
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The Ryanair way !
You lot want to wake up and get with the fact that the world dont owe you all a living just because you have a FATPL.
Twenty years back this forum would have been going on about " unfair" training bonds.
Well after years of having unscrupulus pilots "jumping" training bonds and it not being worth chasing them in the courts the industry has got wise and made you all pay up front........unfortunatly the profession only has its self to blame for the situation that the budding airline pilots of today find them selfs in , after all as an employer would you invest Ł20K in trainning to have the pilot leave within the year ?.
As for flying as cabin crew the Deal is not so bad with Ryanair , the #1 in the cabin can expect to make about Ł3-4K per year more that a #1 with a UK charter airline and not have to do a lot of night flying.
I think what has has got you lot realy pi$$ed off is that you feel that a cabin crew job is below your mighty status as pilots.
The fact is that most of you are to wet behind the ears to cop on to the fact that a pilot with out "industry" experience is not worth much and you will learn a lot about the industry from working in the cabin that will be of value to you as a pilot.
I started within the industry before I went flying and that experience made me a much better pilot and on one or two occations MAY have saved me from making a fatal mistake.
My advice to all of you looking for a job is to get a foot in the airline door , its much easyer to get a job from inside the industry.
Twenty years back this forum would have been going on about " unfair" training bonds.
Well after years of having unscrupulus pilots "jumping" training bonds and it not being worth chasing them in the courts the industry has got wise and made you all pay up front........unfortunatly the profession only has its self to blame for the situation that the budding airline pilots of today find them selfs in , after all as an employer would you invest Ł20K in trainning to have the pilot leave within the year ?.
As for flying as cabin crew the Deal is not so bad with Ryanair , the #1 in the cabin can expect to make about Ł3-4K per year more that a #1 with a UK charter airline and not have to do a lot of night flying.
I think what has has got you lot realy pi$$ed off is that you feel that a cabin crew job is below your mighty status as pilots.
The fact is that most of you are to wet behind the ears to cop on to the fact that a pilot with out "industry" experience is not worth much and you will learn a lot about the industry from working in the cabin that will be of value to you as a pilot.
I started within the industry before I went flying and that experience made me a much better pilot and on one or two occations MAY have saved me from making a fatal mistake.
My advice to all of you looking for a job is to get a foot in the airline door , its much easyer to get a job from inside the industry.
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Lost B!
I found it:
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In each and every contract I passed with my boss, during a long carrer, I had to sign a commitment to work for him for a duration proportionate to the cost of aircraft type training.
It could last up to 5 years, and, as I don't think my French boss was more clever than yours, this was for sure a general practice.
Was it not? And a balanced one?
The new managment fashion to have pilots to pay for training, is due to the degradation of labour market.
Now, due to unemployment, pilots (and other professionnal indeed) have to subject themselves to middle aged rules.
The fact that qualified professionnal have to work in a lower, less qualified job than the one they have been working hard to get.... this fact isn't a progress (it could be one if it was for two month work placement as an eyes opening tool on the company).
It's just another demonstration of the waste of work, money (public and private) and human substance deregulation has organised for the exclusive profit of finance tycoons.
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In each and every contract I passed with my boss, during a long carrer, I had to sign a commitment to work for him for a duration proportionate to the cost of aircraft type training.
It could last up to 5 years, and, as I don't think my French boss was more clever than yours, this was for sure a general practice.
Was it not? And a balanced one?
The new managment fashion to have pilots to pay for training, is due to the degradation of labour market.
Now, due to unemployment, pilots (and other professionnal indeed) have to subject themselves to middle aged rules.
The fact that qualified professionnal have to work in a lower, less qualified job than the one they have been working hard to get.... this fact isn't a progress (it could be one if it was for two month work placement as an eyes opening tool on the company).
It's just another demonstration of the waste of work, money (public and private) and human substance deregulation has organised for the exclusive profit of finance tycoons.
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A and C,
I Have NOTHING agaist RYanair and the fact that you have to pay for the TR etc.....I have something against CAE trying to sell cabin crew courses when the airlines are willing to pay for it!
I am a cabin crew (N 1 for one of the UK airlines) ,I have worked in the cabin for 4 years and yes I think that it did teach me a lot expecially CRM wise. I also have a FATPL.
However paying for the cabin crew training I still think it's not worth it,because if your goal is enter the airline industry with an other duty other than pilot then you should try to have a look at the "cabin crew market",the airlines are screaming for cabin crew and also the agencies are!!! Every single airline is now recruting cabin crew including BA!!
Furthermore if you want a job as cabin crew for Ryanair just apply to Ryanair (NOT CAE),I don't think Ryan make people pay for the training , It's CAE and not ryanair!(I Hope).
I don't think the airlines owe me a living because I have a Frozen ATPL .
I don't think people should pay for a cabin crew position!!
You say that a N1 at FR earns 3-4 K more than He/She would for an other airline,ok you are right but don't forget to mention that at FR you should expect 70 sectors a month.
If I fly 70 sectors as N1 for the airline I work for I would take home more than a N1 at Ryanair(These are FACTS!!!!!).
Take care
I Have NOTHING agaist RYanair and the fact that you have to pay for the TR etc.....I have something against CAE trying to sell cabin crew courses when the airlines are willing to pay for it!
I am a cabin crew (N 1 for one of the UK airlines) ,I have worked in the cabin for 4 years and yes I think that it did teach me a lot expecially CRM wise. I also have a FATPL.
However paying for the cabin crew training I still think it's not worth it,because if your goal is enter the airline industry with an other duty other than pilot then you should try to have a look at the "cabin crew market",the airlines are screaming for cabin crew and also the agencies are!!! Every single airline is now recruting cabin crew including BA!!
Furthermore if you want a job as cabin crew for Ryanair just apply to Ryanair (NOT CAE),I don't think Ryan make people pay for the training , It's CAE and not ryanair!(I Hope).
I don't think the airlines owe me a living because I have a Frozen ATPL .
I don't think people should pay for a cabin crew position!!
You say that a N1 at FR earns 3-4 K more than He/She would for an other airline,ok you are right but don't forget to mention that at FR you should expect 70 sectors a month.
If I fly 70 sectors as N1 for the airline I work for I would take home more than a N1 at Ryanair(These are FACTS!!!!!).
Take care
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would prefer to hear an opinion on whether you ARE a better pilot from others..... however, without even knowing you I'd say it's a fairly safe bet that you've been subjected to conditions that have made you squeal like the proverbial "stuck pig" before now! If I'm wrong then you either haven't been in the industry long OR you're the top pig of the airline you work for......
I started within the industry before I went flying and that experience made me a much better pilot
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Many years ago, at the end of their engineering apprenticeship a whole years intake were offered jobs as Cabin Crew with B-Cal as they had no vacancies in engineering.
After a year or two when they were short of engineers due to expansion, before advertising they offered the ex-apprentices the jobs. They decided that the high life, sh@gging their way around the world was better than gettnig dirty on the ground.
So even if you have strived (and payed) to get qualified, don't have a go at Ryan or anyone else. If there is no work, there is no work, you will have to look at something else to do in the mean time until something in the line that you want turns up.
I hear McDonalds are recruiting at the moment!
After a year or two when they were short of engineers due to expansion, before advertising they offered the ex-apprentices the jobs. They decided that the high life, sh@gging their way around the world was better than gettnig dirty on the ground.
So even if you have strived (and payed) to get qualified, don't have a go at Ryan or anyone else. If there is no work, there is no work, you will have to look at something else to do in the mean time until something in the line that you want turns up.
I hear McDonalds are recruiting at the moment!
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the big egos show themselfs !
SK111 just how big has an ego got to be before you stop learning from life ? , Clearfortheoption has become a better flight crew member because of the CRM issues that have been part of opperating as a crew member.
I would not expect you to give up a flight crew job to become cabin crew but remember there are a lot of people that would love to have your job if it is not good enough for you.
W/C fowler my time in the industry has made me a better pilot than I would have been otherwise it has also taught me not to "look down" on others in the industry , some years back a baggage loader pointed out to one of the pilots in my company a crack on an engine that could have started an in flight fire , if the pilot had an attitude to other staff that we have seen above in this thread the aircraft may well have taken off .
As you say just how good I am is for others to judge and yes we all have gone into "stuck pig mode" once in a wile but I have never objected to a training bond if it was a true reflection of the costs and have paid up when leaving a company before the end of the bond. The pilot comunity has only got itself to blame for the payment up front for ratings because of the actions in the past of the bond jumpers.
As I see it Ryanair are offering people the chance to get some industry experience that could be of use to them and if they are without a job the money could help or are unemployed pilots above working for a living ?.
I would not expect you to give up a flight crew job to become cabin crew but remember there are a lot of people that would love to have your job if it is not good enough for you.
W/C fowler my time in the industry has made me a better pilot than I would have been otherwise it has also taught me not to "look down" on others in the industry , some years back a baggage loader pointed out to one of the pilots in my company a crack on an engine that could have started an in flight fire , if the pilot had an attitude to other staff that we have seen above in this thread the aircraft may well have taken off .
As you say just how good I am is for others to judge and yes we all have gone into "stuck pig mode" once in a wile but I have never objected to a training bond if it was a true reflection of the costs and have paid up when leaving a company before the end of the bond. The pilot comunity has only got itself to blame for the payment up front for ratings because of the actions in the past of the bond jumpers.
As I see it Ryanair are offering people the chance to get some industry experience that could be of use to them and if they are without a job the money could help or are unemployed pilots above working for a living ?.
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Ermmmm...... So you feel you would not have had any respect for the baggage handler if you had not "had your time in the industry" then hmm....? I have respect for pretty much all kind hearted and thoughtful people and my "time in the industry" is limited to pilot, human being, individual, team member.... etc etc.
Fact is, those that wish to be baggage handlers be baggage handlers, those that wish to be cabin crew be cabin crew. Those that wish to be pilots be pilots - all of the above have to be qualified, motivated and above all else human beings (last time I looked anyhow).
I don't see "an attitude" in the postings above but I do see some fed up aspiring pilots who would much rather receive an appropriate response from their applications for pilot positions!
Quite right too IMHO.
Fact is, those that wish to be baggage handlers be baggage handlers, those that wish to be cabin crew be cabin crew. Those that wish to be pilots be pilots - all of the above have to be qualified, motivated and above all else human beings (last time I looked anyhow).
I don't see "an attitude" in the postings above but I do see some fed up aspiring pilots who would much rather receive an appropriate response from their applications for pilot positions!
Quite right too IMHO.
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Get real !!!!
The cabin crew job IS "below" the status of a pilot, as you put it...I didn't spend a royal fortune and many years getting experience to serve cofee and tea.
If your previous experience has helped you - Good for you, but don't give us that bullsh.t
It takes a long time to become an experienced pilot, it takes about two days to become a CA - Sorry buddy, that's a fact of life !!
I enjoy all my collegues in the cabin, but I wouldn't swap jobs - I'm overqualified !!
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Actually Cabin Crew training is a min 5 weeks at the moment (oh and that's 6 day weeks btw) with exams most days, so even you wouldn't get by on 2 days (and most of us can spell too!)
If you've ever been on a CRM course then I'm sure that you do know that cabin crew are actually there to deal with a lot more than refreshments.
They are there to deal with the SLF in an emergency and keep them off your backs while you deal with the metal
They will even oblige by opening the doors ensuring that you don't have to try to squeeze your inflated ego out through a flight deck emergency hatch/window
Oh and yes in extreme circumstances they've even laid down their lives to stop access to the flight deck
You're not 'overqualified' for the role of cabin crew, you obviously don't even have the basic requirements
Cabin crew provide a safe, secure, pleasant environment for the pax, this includes being able to respect and appreciate all human values, we do not discriminate, especially not based on how much qualifications cost (there's a lot of cc that would love to fly if they could afford it) just because you've been fortunate enough to pay to get your job, don't judge others, your job is not who you are, that IS something that you need to spend time and effort working on!
Please tell me that there aren't really any pilots left flying that believe cabin crew is a worthless position, if there are, then these are the very people that SHOULD sign up as crew, you could learn a LOT!
And girls please watch out for this guy that 'enjoys' his colleagues
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Get real !!!!
The cabin crew job IS "below" the status of a pilot, as you put it...I didn't spend a royal fortune and many years getting experience to serve cofee and tea.
If your previous experience has helped you - Good for you, but don't give us that bullsh.t
It takes a long time to become an experienced pilot, it takes about two days to become a CA - Sorry buddy, that's a fact of life !!
I enjoy all my collegues in the cabin, but I wouldn't swap jobs - I'm overqualified !!
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Actually Cabin Crew training is a min 5 weeks at the moment (oh and that's 6 day weeks btw) with exams most days, so even you wouldn't get by on 2 days (and most of us can spell too!)
If you've ever been on a CRM course then I'm sure that you do know that cabin crew are actually there to deal with a lot more than refreshments.
They are there to deal with the SLF in an emergency and keep them off your backs while you deal with the metal
They will even oblige by opening the doors ensuring that you don't have to try to squeeze your inflated ego out through a flight deck emergency hatch/window
Oh and yes in extreme circumstances they've even laid down their lives to stop access to the flight deck
You're not 'overqualified' for the role of cabin crew, you obviously don't even have the basic requirements
Cabin crew provide a safe, secure, pleasant environment for the pax, this includes being able to respect and appreciate all human values, we do not discriminate, especially not based on how much qualifications cost (there's a lot of cc that would love to fly if they could afford it) just because you've been fortunate enough to pay to get your job, don't judge others, your job is not who you are, that IS something that you need to spend time and effort working on!
Please tell me that there aren't really any pilots left flying that believe cabin crew is a worthless position, if there are, then these are the very people that SHOULD sign up as crew, you could learn a LOT!
And girls please watch out for this guy that 'enjoys' his colleagues
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Ryanair began charging to accept cv`s within days of 9/11 it had sod all to do with being screwed over bonds - about as close as you can get to legal mugging
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Nobody has suggested that cabin staff are other than professional in what they are trained to do but I would suggest you refrain from refering to your sponsors as self loading freight as that attitude gives us all a bad name
Ryanair began charging to accept cv`s within days of 9/11 it had sod all to do with being screwed over bonds - about as close as you can get to legal mugging
Hostie
Nobody has suggested that cabin staff are other than professional in what they are trained to do but I would suggest you refrain from refering to your sponsors as self loading freight as that attitude gives us all a bad name
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Southwest started low-cost airline travel over 30 years ago.Its the best in the business(best low-cost,best airline)but unfortunately,its spawned some very poor imitations,incl Ryanair,easyjet and others.The true art of low-cost is to provide cheap air travel and yet still maintain high standards in the way you treat passengers and your employees.Pilots,fa's,mechanics,reservation agents... all have a part to play and are all respected in Southwest.If you're treated well,you want to treat others well.Its only human nature.It seems that a lot of folks are prepared to put up with being treated badly in the pursuit of low cost air travel,which is what enables airlines like Ryanair to get away with blue murder.And pilots are so scared after 911 of never getting another job,that they'll sign on the dotted line to fly with these airlines that have no respect or integrity.Why do Ryanair hire most of their new pilots straight out of flight school?Because they have no pre-conceptions and can be easily moulded.And they're cheap.Why is easyjet offering Capt positions to senior F/O's(unheard of here in the States).
You can take the shell of low-cost(point-to-point,secondary airport utilization,quick turnarounds)but if you dont nurture brand loyalty,both with the public and your employees,it wont work.It might work for a time,but your people are always looking to jump ship,so you're on borrowed time.One accident..and they'll be gone.And then you're just another Valujet...who btw werent rude folks at all,just incompetent.
You can take the shell of low-cost(point-to-point,secondary airport utilization,quick turnarounds)but if you dont nurture brand loyalty,both with the public and your employees,it wont work.It might work for a time,but your people are always looking to jump ship,so you're on borrowed time.One accident..and they'll be gone.And then you're just another Valujet...who btw werent rude folks at all,just incompetent.