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AF447 wreckage found
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Let's hope we can get some answers at last.
Anyone know if there is any chance of the FDR and CVR surviving this long in a usable state? Looks like they're 13000 ft down. |
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Well, this is exciting. A little more info here:
BEA Director Jean-Paul Troadec also told AFP that investigators have hope of finding the plane's black boxes because the debris area was relatively concentrated. "The favourable news is that the debris area is relatively concentrated. And this gives us hope of finding the black boxes," he said. Troadec said the parts of the wreckage that had been found consisted of "engines and certain elements of the wings". The BEA is to publish first pictures of the wreckage found in the Atlantic on Monday. "The BEA will on Monday afternoon hold a press conference to show first pictures of the plane parts," a spokeswoman told AFP. The conference is to be held at 3:00 pm (1300 GMT) at BEA headquarters near Le Bourget airport, north of Paris. |
what is the position?
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Mods
The main AF447 thread has continued running in the Tech Log section.
Perhpaps for the avoidance of unnecessary repeats of questions we should continue the discussion on that thread and the mods could merge the threads? |
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found
A large part of the fuselage, with bodies inside, the engines and undercarriage have been found
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Amazing news!
Never thought they would ever find it. |
First image.
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With Airbus and Gov. Co. funding the opps. Any data recovered will be dubious to say the least. IMHO this debris field has already been picked clean, "evidence" replaced and official findings written.
Call me a cynic if you will...but I AM. I have no issues with AB products. None with Boeing. I DO have issues with transparency and/or lack of it. |
Subsonicsubic write...
"With Airbus and Gov. Co. funding the opps. Any data recovered will be dubious to say the least. IMHO this debris field has already been picked clean, "evidence" replaced and official findings written. Call me a cynic if you will...but I AM." Not that I believe in everything in the press or from various governments or official company documents but in this case I'd say you are very cynical indeed! If Air France and the French government wanted this to go away quietly, then why would they still be out there 2 years after the crash trying to find the aircraft and its 2 black boxes? They have nothing to gain from this prolonged search for it except find the boxes and possibl the true cause of the crash. No extensive search = no found aircraft = status quo = no real explanation for the crash = the story goes away slowly and eventually dies. Not the case anymore now that a big chunk of the aircraft has been found! |
With Airbus and Gov. Co. funding the opps. Any data recovered will be dubious to say the least. IMHO this debris field has already been picked clean, "evidence" replaced and official findings written. |
"Call me a cynic if you will...but I AM." IMHO this debris field has already been picked clean, "evidence" replaced and official findings written. Until the results are published, might it not be wise to keep the calls of "foul" under your hat? Once they are published, then let's see what the story is. |
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BEA report
found so close to the last know position, surely they should have searched there first, must have been with a 50km radius
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AF and Airbus have gone well beyond duty and expectation with their investigations. Their determination to persist with the search in order to find the cause and hopefully prevent a repetition deserves the highest praise. |
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Has anyone read anything yet about how deep the wreckage is? The BBC report stated only that they had been searching as deep as 4000 meters, but didn't specify where the wreckage was found. Just curious.
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IMHO this debris field has already been picked clean, "evidence" replaced and official findings written. |
Mark in CA writes...
"Has anyone read anything yet about how deep the wreckage is? The BBC report stated only that they had been searching as deep as 4000 meters, but didn't specify where the wreckage was found. Just curious." Yes the wreck was located at roughly 3900 meters (12,800') of depth and they disclosed its position but with a 10 nm fudge factor. |
they disclosed its position but with a 10 nm fudge factor. |
I take it that they don't wish to disclose the exact location as they don't want every tom dick and harry in the atlantic turning up there.
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As with Titanic, with human remains still inside, it constitutes a burial place.
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Originally Posted by WillDAQ
So you're suggesting that Airbus has already discovered the site and removed anything incriminating before then allowing a search that it funded to find the wreckage.... fine example of Occam's Razor there.
While I am elated to hear that they have found what eluded them for so long, I worry that in the past year and a half, the tail section/CVR/FDR have had ample opportunity to get a little covered up with "stuff" and thus elude search. I hope I am wrong, as finding out the "why" is of interest to the air traveling public, as well as to professional aircrews who travel those long transoceanic routes. |
Now I understand why the Tech Log is the place where serious people debate the same subject, rather than look for ghosts, some of the above posts are appropriate for the rumour section....
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This is good news folks...If I had a catastrophic failure in the cruise and plummeted with my crew and pax to 120 under the ocean, I would hope they would search for my FDR no matter how long it took.
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vanHorck, precisely. The first AF 447 thread in rumours and news was closed because all manner of esoteric theories and explanations drifted into that thread. The techlog thread is now nearing 3,000 posts, most of them substantive, and many of them very informative postings by very knowledgeable people.
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I am no conspiracy theorist but when I hear "Airbus" and "black box" spoken in the same sentence, this incident springs to mind: Air France Flight 296 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Wasn't the fact that many C/Bs were pulled effecting some systems on the aircraft play a role in the crash.
In any case any pilot that takes a fully loaded plane down to 30 feet above a runway in an "airshow" in a high alpha low speed pass deserves to be hung! |
With Airbus and Gov. Co. funding the opps. Any data recovered will be dubious to say the least. IMHO this debris field has already been picked clean, "evidence" replaced and official findings written. Call me a cynic if you will...but I AM. I for one am happy about the discovery, and optimistic that helpful information will be found. Although the pictures remind me of what a beautiful machine it was. |
It's a good thing
Enjointhis:
Amen. Let science and due diligence prevail. Congrats to AF and BEA etc. on seeing this thing out. |
Congrats to the Americans who found the wreck.
When will our French friends thank the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution? |
They will probably be thanked with a paycheck for services rendered.
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Color me cynical, but I still can not believe that NATO/French subs could not find pinging boxes for 30 days.
But I have no doubt that this time the paint on the FDR/CVR will be consistent. |
AF296 has nothing to do with this, and the conspiracy theories over that are best left to run on by themselves. The assertion that a crash site at this depth can be tampered with, especially when world-leading authorities on deep oceanographic exploration are closely involved, is frankly ludicrous.
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Wreckage and sonar images
http://www.bea.aero/fr/enquetes/vol....ges.du.site.ph
I don't think anybody posted this yet apologies if I missed it. Don't know much about aircraft but a bit about sonar - that's a very flat seabed. |
Anywhere where photo's of the A/F elements of the a/c found on the sea floor have been posted? All I've seen is the video details running in the background of the CNN report.
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Images in the media now.http://images.theage.com.au/2011/04/...e3-600x400.jpg
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I take it that they don't wish to disclose the exact location as they don't want every tom dick and harry in the atlantic turning up there. Bravo for finding the wreckage though. This will hopefully give the relatives and loved ones of those that perished some kind of closeure. |
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