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pineteam 16th Sep 2019 08:23

Airbus FCOM says: When crossing a runway: Strobe sw.... ON and Runway turn off lights..... ON. Period. No TCAS, it's forbidden due to potential interference and no other lights. I don't understand why some airlines like to supersede Airbus SOP. If you don't see an aircraft with his strobe ON, something is terribly wrong. By the way the wing light is annoying for other traffic taxiing nearby. xD

jmmoric 16th Sep 2019 10:35

I'm not sure about the SoP for all carriers, but one thing hinting us as ATC, is that some airlines turn on landing lights when being given an take off clearance.

ACMS 16th Sep 2019 12:47


Originally Posted by jmmoric (Post 10571185)
I'm not sure about the SoP for all carriers, but one thing hinting us as ATC, is that some airlines turn on landing lights when being given an take off clearance.

yes correct....Airbus SOP...

pineteam 16th Sep 2019 12:55


Originally Posted by jmmoric (Post 10571185)
I'm not sure about the SoP for all carriers, but one thing hinting us as ATC, is that some airlines turn on landing lights when being given an take off clearance.

This is standard procedure on Airbus. They are called landing lights but they are used for take off and landing and anytimes flying below 10 000 feet Above Aerodrome Level.

EDIT: Oups, ACMS, you beat me on that one. xD

FlightDetent 16th Sep 2019 17:30

The LAND = ON upon receipt of TKOF clearance in the Cookbook was a change about 7 years ago, to align the generic manufacturer's guidance to the industry best practice from the FAA land. Before, a more grass-root level concept prevailed: as little actions on the runway as possible (to be done when entering the runway).

For me using TCAS = ON for crossing a runway is the smart choice, similar to displaying LS=ON briefly during line-up in LVP. May not be up to date on the latest print. The technical reasons for disallowing TCAS on the ground are not in conflict with its use for crossing the active.

2 side remarks done

fdr 16th Sep 2019 20:47


Originally Posted by pineteam (Post 10571081)
... I don't understand why some airlines like to supersede Airbus SOP. If you don't see an aircraft with his strobe ON, something is terribly wrong. By the way the wing light is annoying for other traffic taxiing nearby. xD

You may be surprised how strobes can be missed, as they were on 24L at LAX to the detriment of the Metro and 737.

zondaracer 18th Sep 2019 13:36


Originally Posted by fdr (Post 10571590)
You may be surprised how strobes can be missed, as they were on 24L at LAX to the detriment of the Metro and 737.

At that time, SkyWest SOPs were to have strobes off until cleared for takeoff. After that accident, they changed the SOPs to have strobes on anytime they are on or crossing an active runway.


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