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Old 13th Sep 2019, 10:19
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Question Swiss Airbus wing lights always on?

Does anyone know why Swiss always has the wing lights on on their Airbuses?
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 11:23
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Something to do with the switch position?
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 11:24
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Something to do with the switch position?
They forget to swiss them off?
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 12:00
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Something to do with the switch position?
Because the switch is called “wing on/off” and they don’t dare to put it in wing off?! 🤪
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 12:06
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Does anyone know why Swiss always has the wing lights on on their Airbuses?
I don't know, but I've always though that having the logo light on the tail was a big plus.
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 12:46
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In Switzerland, even cars must have their lights always on.
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 12:52
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To be better seen from other aircraft in fog or in the air as the logo light is by design switch off by gear up or slats in.
some pilots use that as a reminder for " clear to push"
Or to always see if the wings are still there 😀😀
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 13:21
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Originally Posted by rekop View Post
Does anyone know why Swiss always has the wing lights on on their Airbuses?
Some believe that birds know what the lights mean
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 23:16
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At most commercial operations I'm familiar with, the policy was - nav lights (red and green wing) ON when the aircraft was "alive." Crew on board, or electrical power flowing.

Which includes most turnarounds, and even overnight if the aircraft is (electrically, probably with ground connection) powered up for ground personnel (cleaners, mechanics and such).

With a full cold shutdown, the nav lights are the last thing turned off before the Master power switches.
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Old 14th Sep 2019, 00:20
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Nav light switch on my fleet is covered with dust...
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These are all very good guesses :-) Does anybody actually know why Swiss has it in their SOP. Not many companies use the wing lights for anything else than what they are designed for - to check for ice on the wing leading edge in flight. Nav and logo lights are the same switch and they are enough to keep the aircraft visible.
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Some captains I used to fly a part from icing conditions etc wanted to have them on on some “little lighted - dark” airports during evening/night turnaround. But this was an exception rather than the usual.
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Old 14th Sep 2019, 10:33
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Qantas use their Wing Lights all the time for taxi takeoff and landings on all fleets.

I can’t see any problem with doing it.
I sometimes switch them on in busy disorganized airspace such as Delhi or Jakarta and when crossing busy runways in places like Seoul and Beijing at night, can’t hurt to light up the Jet a little more.

I still remember a Us Air 737 landing on top of a Metro at LAX a number of years ago simply because the 737 crew didn’t see them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_...unway_disaster

An an old saying referring to Driving in Victoria years ago is relevant to Aviation:—

“Be seen, be safe”

If you wish to talk about stupid use of lights then complain about the idiots that love aiming their nose at you lining up with all their lights blazing in your face......now that is bad airmanship.











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Old 14th Sep 2019, 15:36
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Originally Posted by rekop View Post
Does anyone know why Swiss always has the wing lights on on their Airbuses?

Er...many Hans make light work...?

Ahem! I'll get my coat!
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Old 14th Sep 2019, 17:21
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Originally Posted by ACMS View Post
If you wish to talk about stupid use of lights then complain about the idiots that love aiming their nose at you lining up with all their lights blazing in your face......now that is bad airmanship.
I've never found that a problem. Admittedly, turning onto the runway with traffic waiting at the reciprocal hold point, I normally do turn the lights off as a courtesy. However, if crews leave them on whilst pointing at me, I just don't look down the centre of the beam. Never been an issue for me.

Look up the incident involving a 737 at FAHS in 2011. A good reminder that perhaps those lights are useful after all.
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Originally Posted by widmimabi View Post
To be better seen from other aircraft in fog or in the air as the logo light is by design switch off by gear up or slats in.
some pilots use that as a reminder for " clear to push"
Or to always see if the wings are still there 😀😀
Do you know that sensation of knowing something or having read something, then mixing everything up and obviously give an erroneous explanation? That was your reply since the beginning.

Lights on fog = even less visibility than having them off
"" "" Clear to push"" "" = beacon on
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Old 15th Sep 2019, 10:27
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Originally Posted by csd View Post
I've never found that a problem. Admittedly, turning onto the runway with traffic waiting at the reciprocal hold point, I normally do turn the lights off as a courtesy. However, if crews leave them on whilst pointing at me, I just don't look down the centre of the beam. Never been an issue for me.
It happens a lot at places like HK with holding points on opposite sides of the runway, very annoying and inconsiderate to blast your landing lights straight into another crews face 100’ away.........


Anyway thread drift.....
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Old 15th Sep 2019, 21:47
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With your lights on, AC thinks the taxiway is a runway...be careful1
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Old 15th Sep 2019, 21:59
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Originally Posted by Smythe View Post
With your lights on, AC thinks the taxiway is a runway...be careful1
No, those jets all had their lights OFF. One of the crews turning them ON was one of the things that made AC go around.
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Old 16th Sep 2019, 07:53
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1. Because they are wise beyond their years?
2. the bullet that gets you is the one you don't see?
3. Why would you not?
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