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Swiss Airbus wing lights always on?
Does anyone know why Swiss always has the wing lights on on their Airbuses?
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Something to do with the switch position? :E |
Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
(Post 10569063)
Something to do with the switch position? :E |
Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
(Post 10569063)
Something to do with the switch position? :E |
Originally Posted by rekop
(Post 10568994)
Does anyone know why Swiss always has the wing lights on on their Airbuses?
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In Switzerland, even cars must have their lights always on.
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To be better seen from other aircraft in fog or in the air as the logo light is by design switch off by gear up or slats in. some pilots use that as a reminder for " clear to push" Or to always see if the wings are still there 😀😀 |
Originally Posted by rekop
(Post 10568994)
Does anyone know why Swiss always has the wing lights on on their Airbuses?
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At most commercial operations I'm familiar with, the policy was - nav lights (red and green wing) ON when the aircraft was "alive." Crew on board, or electrical power flowing.
Which includes most turnarounds, and even overnight if the aircraft is (electrically, probably with ground connection) powered up for ground personnel (cleaners, mechanics and such). With a full cold shutdown, the nav lights are the last thing turned off before the Master power switches. |
Nav light switch on my fleet is covered with dust...
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These are all very good guesses :-) Does anybody actually know why Swiss has it in their SOP. Not many companies use the wing lights for anything else than what they are designed for - to check for ice on the wing leading edge in flight. Nav and logo lights are the same switch and they are enough to keep the aircraft visible.
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Some captains I used to fly a part from icing conditions etc wanted to have them on on some “little lighted - dark” airports during evening/night turnaround. But this was an exception rather than the usual. |
Qantas use their Wing Lights all the time for taxi takeoff and landings on all fleets. I can’t see any problem with doing it. I sometimes switch them on in busy disorganized airspace such as Delhi or Jakarta and when crossing busy runways in places like Seoul and Beijing at night, can’t hurt to light up the Jet a little more. I still remember a Us Air 737 landing on top of a Metro at LAX a number of years ago simply because the 737 crew didn’t see them. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_...unway_disaster An an old saying referring to Driving in Victoria years ago is relevant to Aviation:— “Be seen, be safe” If you wish to talk about stupid use of lights then complain about the idiots that love aiming their nose at you lining up with all their lights blazing in your face......now that is bad airmanship. |
Originally Posted by rekop
(Post 10568994)
Does anyone know why Swiss always has the wing lights on on their Airbuses?
Er...many Hans make light work...? Ahem! I'll get my coat! |
Originally Posted by ACMS
(Post 10569769)
If you wish to talk about stupid use of lights then complain about the idiots that love aiming their nose at you lining up with all their lights blazing in your face......now that is bad airmanship. Look up the incident involving a 737 at FAHS in 2011. A good reminder that perhaps those lights are useful after all. |
Originally Posted by widmimabi
(Post 10569129)
To be better seen from other aircraft in fog or in the air as the logo light is by design switch off by gear up or slats in. some pilots use that as a reminder for " clear to push" Or to always see if the wings are still there 😀😀 Lights on fog = even less visibility than having them off "" "" Clear to push"" "" = beacon on |
Originally Posted by csd
(Post 10569959)
I've never found that a problem. Admittedly, turning onto the runway with traffic waiting at the reciprocal hold point, I normally do turn the lights off as a courtesy. However, if crews leave them on whilst pointing at me, I just don't look down the centre of the beam. Never been an issue for me.
Anyway thread drift..... |
With your lights on, AC thinks the taxiway is a runway...be careful1
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Originally Posted by Smythe
(Post 10570831)
With your lights on, AC thinks the taxiway is a runway...be careful1
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1. Because they are wise beyond their years?
2. the bullet that gets you is the one you don't see? 3. Why would you not? |
Airbus FCOM says: When crossing a runway: Strobe sw.... ON and Runway turn off lights..... ON. Period. No TCAS, it's forbidden due to potential interference and no other lights. I don't understand why some airlines like to supersede Airbus SOP. If you don't see an aircraft with his strobe ON, something is terribly wrong. By the way the wing light is annoying for other traffic taxiing nearby. xD
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I'm not sure about the SoP for all carriers, but one thing hinting us as ATC, is that some airlines turn on landing lights when being given an take off clearance.
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Originally Posted by jmmoric
(Post 10571185)
I'm not sure about the SoP for all carriers, but one thing hinting us as ATC, is that some airlines turn on landing lights when being given an take off clearance.
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Originally Posted by jmmoric
(Post 10571185)
I'm not sure about the SoP for all carriers, but one thing hinting us as ATC, is that some airlines turn on landing lights when being given an take off clearance.
EDIT: Oups, ACMS, you beat me on that one. xD |
The LAND = ON upon receipt of TKOF clearance in the Cookbook was a change about 7 years ago, to align the generic manufacturer's guidance to the industry best practice from the FAA land. Before, a more grass-root level concept prevailed: as little actions on the runway as possible (to be done when entering the runway).
For me using TCAS = ON for crossing a runway is the smart choice, similar to displaying LS=ON briefly during line-up in LVP. May not be up to date on the latest print. The technical reasons for disallowing TCAS on the ground are not in conflict with its use for crossing the active. 2 side remarks done |
Originally Posted by pineteam
(Post 10571081)
... I don't understand why some airlines like to supersede Airbus SOP. If you don't see an aircraft with his strobe ON, something is terribly wrong. By the way the wing light is annoying for other traffic taxiing nearby. xD
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Originally Posted by fdr
(Post 10571590)
You may be surprised how strobes can be missed, as they were on 24L at LAX to the detriment of the Metro and 737.
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