RYAN AIR ENG FAILURE
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RYAN AIR ENG FAILURE
any truth in the rumour that ryanair recently had an eng failure overhead manc and continued on to dublin?
heard this from a reliable source and apparently this is well known within BMI... yeah baby!
taking cover in the North!
heard this from a reliable source and apparently this is well known within BMI... yeah baby!
taking cover in the North!
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my point is .
a. did it really happen?
got no axe to grind but want to know if it is true. if it's true it's been kept very quiet. if it's not then i'll know why it's a rumour and not in the TIMES.
b. as i don't know what stage of flight the "possible" failure occured so i have no idea about driftdown profile!
a. did it really happen?
got no axe to grind but want to know if it is true. if it's true it's been kept very quiet. if it's not then i'll know why it's a rumour and not in the TIMES.
b. as i don't know what stage of flight the "possible" failure occured so i have no idea about driftdown profile!
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It was me and i couldnt be arsed landing at manc as my car was in the carpark at dublin, anyway its cheaper not to move the pax from manc , not that we would have bothered anyway.
it wasnt in the paper as its none of you business.
as forcalculatin the drift down , dont have to mate its the 21st century, ever heard of an fmc, and ps i have a validation from a non jaa state and didnt do any of your silly exams either.
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it wasnt in the paper as its none of you business.
as forcalculatin the drift down , dont have to mate its the 21st century, ever heard of an fmc, and ps i have a validation from a non jaa state and didnt do any of your silly exams either.
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In my company, if you have an engine failiure in a 2 engine aeroplane (thus becoming a single engine aeroplane) you land at the nearest suitable airfield (not continue 100 miles to destination when over head a place like Manch)
(Edited to add)
On the other hand from FL310 you could probably glide from overhead Manch to Dublin
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(Edited to add)
On the other hand from FL310 you could probably glide from overhead Manch to Dublin
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skymonkee.........you rule dude. did i know you in the airforce!
i wish i was a journalist, i'd cover footie and page 3 birds and spend my life in the pub.
i didn't know the 200 had an fmc. aint it called pcds? i realy don't know...enlighten me
boasting about an eng failure...... i thought you just followed the qrh mate.
i am mainly intersted to find out if it was a crappy 200 or a nice new 800. i fly the 436 so i was interested because you don't hear of failures often.
as for the continuing on comment.... please don't get over excited. 2 eng fails in 10 years. put them both on the nearest sensible runway. if thats what dublin was then great, as i said since i have know idea if or where this happened i just looking for some gen.
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i wish i was a journalist, i'd cover footie and page 3 birds and spend my life in the pub.
i didn't know the 200 had an fmc. aint it called pcds? i realy don't know...enlighten me
boasting about an eng failure...... i thought you just followed the qrh mate.
i am mainly intersted to find out if it was a crappy 200 or a nice new 800. i fly the 436 so i was interested because you don't hear of failures often.
as for the continuing on comment.... please don't get over excited. 2 eng fails in 10 years. put them both on the nearest sensible runway. if thats what dublin was then great, as i said since i have know idea if or where this happened i just looking for some gen.
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"Nearest suitable airport - "IN POINT OF TIME" is the requirement in my part of the world - if at normal crz trype altitudes seems to me time to descent and set up for an IAP into an a/port below you = same as normal profile descent and landing @ an a/port 100 nm away - in time - what's the problem, technically speaking? No data given on weather etc @ the respective airports - sounds like "bashing the opposition" to me.
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In my opinion, even on 2 engines, an enroute diversion always gives a lot of suplementary workload, find the charts, get the MET, RWY lenght
notams, elevation, MSA...If you are in a single engine emergency in a acceptable distance from your home base, where you can fly the approach with eyes shut, why not continue and give full attention to the emergency?
I agree that in CAVOK condition, you have no option and land asap.
I flew 1200 hrs on C-150, and C-172, so I was 1200 hrs in an single engine emergency?
notams, elevation, MSA...If you are in a single engine emergency in a acceptable distance from your home base, where you can fly the approach with eyes shut, why not continue and give full attention to the emergency?
I agree that in CAVOK condition, you have no option and land asap.
I flew 1200 hrs on C-150, and C-172, so I was 1200 hrs in an single engine emergency?
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In my opinion!
If overhead EGCC when the poo slapped the fan, best to roll inverted, pull a few "G", and go for EGCC. Absolutely no point in staying wings level, ball in the puddle, and "slipping" onwards to EIDW...or is there?
Wings level, Ball in the puddle!
If overhead EGCC when the poo slapped the fan, best to roll inverted, pull a few "G", and go for EGCC. Absolutely no point in staying wings level, ball in the puddle, and "slipping" onwards to EIDW...or is there?
Wings level, Ball in the puddle!
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Some people call Mayday for an engine failure on a two engined jet- why is that? Does it mean that all aircraft with one engine are in a permanent state of Mayday from take-off?
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If I recall correctly, there is a patch of water between Manc and Dublin.
Could this be why people have such a difference in opinion?
I am not trying to be rude, just trying to see what arguments are pro and con this scenario. We are talking about an engine failure(assumption is not an engine fire as,hey, Manc it is then ASAP..)
I vote this thread go to the Tech forum to discuss and lets avoid mudslinging.)
Could this be why people have such a difference in opinion?
I am not trying to be rude, just trying to see what arguments are pro and con this scenario. We are talking about an engine failure(assumption is not an engine fire as,hey, Manc it is then ASAP..)
I vote this thread go to the Tech forum to discuss and lets avoid mudslinging.)
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Sir Kit,
I think the correct policy is to call a "Mayday" for an engine failure on takeoff because at that critical stage of flight you want everyone to know you have a serious problem and everything out of your way. It is usually best downgraded down to a "PAN", once the situation is under control but you still need to "land as soon as possible", (rather than spend 25 minutes holding for Traffic!)
I think the correct policy is to call a "Mayday" for an engine failure on takeoff because at that critical stage of flight you want everyone to know you have a serious problem and everything out of your way. It is usually best downgraded down to a "PAN", once the situation is under control but you still need to "land as soon as possible", (rather than spend 25 minutes holding for Traffic!)
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Another factor in this case that can affect your decision making is how you manage your remaining engine. Driftdown rules call for max cont thrust to make the slope flat, but is that really a good idea to push your remaining one quite hard when its the only one you've got left?
Apart from that, I quite agree with the fact that, if the source of the failure can be determined precisely enough to make sure that it doesn't endanger the aircraft (like a fire or severe damage), then why not go to the destination if so close? And here, Dublin is the homebase, so, how could there be a better place to put in the aircraft? Only bear in mind that its handling will somewhat be crappier..., but like someone said here, a single engine aircraft should not fly in a permanent distress situation!
BTW, anyone knows if a restart was attempted?
Apart from that, I quite agree with the fact that, if the source of the failure can be determined precisely enough to make sure that it doesn't endanger the aircraft (like a fire or severe damage), then why not go to the destination if so close? And here, Dublin is the homebase, so, how could there be a better place to put in the aircraft? Only bear in mind that its handling will somewhat be crappier..., but like someone said here, a single engine aircraft should not fly in a permanent distress situation!
BTW, anyone knows if a restart was attempted?
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A wise old sage (howdy Figment) once suggested that the best place to go to with an engine failure is to your home base - the reason being that this is where you parked your car and as such you'll be able to drive home, via the pub, because you might enjoy a beer after an engine failure !
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Good post from Hamrah.
As regards single engine aircraft think a bit further - a twin or multi is constructed with its systems based on all engines. You lose more than thrust when the donk fails. A single has everything working on its one engine.
As to being in a permanent state of Pan, I once flew across the Alps and back in IMC in a Cessna and it sure felt like Pan to me.
As regards single engine aircraft think a bit further - a twin or multi is constructed with its systems based on all engines. You lose more than thrust when the donk fails. A single has everything working on its one engine.
As to being in a permanent state of Pan, I once flew across the Alps and back in IMC in a Cessna and it sure felt like Pan to me.
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If engine failure occurs Mr Boeing Says Land at nearest suitable airport.
That does not mean flying over water to get home to base when there is a Suitable airport right under you.
Check Out QRH . <img src="cool.gif" border="0">
That does not mean flying over water to get home to base when there is a Suitable airport right under you.
Check Out QRH . <img src="cool.gif" border="0">