If I recall correctly, there is a patch of water between Manc and Dublin.
Could this be why people have such a difference in opinion?
I am not trying to be rude, just trying to see what arguments are pro and con this scenario. We are talking about an engine failure(assumption is not an engine fire as,hey, Manc it is then ASAP..)
I vote this thread go to the Tech forum to discuss and lets avoid mudslinging.)