"Roll the Trucks" ATC verbiage in the USA

[stilton]

Always find it amusing to hear lectures on appropriate RT from the country who brought us ‘practice pans’

[Speed_Trim_Fail]

Originally Posted by stilton

Always find it amusing to hear lectures on appropriate RT from the country who brought us ‘practice pans’

Which at least serve a purpose, unlike endless “miaowing”

For clarity, the US has a great number of things I admire, including many in aviation. R/T is not one of them, however.

[B2N2]

Originally Posted by Speed_Trim_Fail

Which at least serve a purpose, unlike endless “miaowing”

For clarity, the US has a great number of things I admire, including many in aviation. R/T is not one of them, however.

Practice-Pan-Practice-Pan-Practice-Pan
GOLF INDIA CHARLIE BIT MY FINGAH position….(27 minutes later)…penetrate your MATZ OVAAAH

#rollthetrucks





But yes, the standards of US ATC are atrocious.
Taking the average US Regional pilot anywhere Europe or Asia is like taking a kid with Downs to a musical.

[meleagertoo]

Originally Posted by stilton

Always find it amusing to hear lectures on appropriate RT from the country who brought us ‘practice pans’

It's a particularly weird and irrational mindset to conflate RT standards among the aviation community at large and completely unrelated procedures established by a regulating authority.

Originally Posted by WHBM
And what do USA controllers make of "Pan Pan Pan" ?

My understanding is that the FAA (among a number of other juristictions worldwide) does not officially recognise/adopt this phraseology. If this is indeed the case one can only wonder why, it's a extremely useful to be able to declare a level of urgency rather than an outright (by definition potentially life threatening) emergency.

[BFSGrad]

Originally Posted by meleagertoo

My understanding is that the FAA (among a number of other juristictions worldwide) does not officially recognise/adopt this phraseology. If this is indeed the case one can only wonder why, it's a extremely useful to be able to declare a level of urgency rather than an outright (by definition potentially life threatening) emergency.

Also specified in 7110.65, 10-1-1b:

A pilot who encounters a Distress condition should declare an emergency by beginning the initial communication with the word “Mayday,” preferably repeated three times. For an Urgency condition, the word “Pan-Pan” should be used in the same manner.

[Amadis of Gaul]

Originally Posted by hans brinker

Have had 5 emergencies where I felt emergency services on the ground would be prudent while flying in the US in the last 2 decades. " Declaring an emergency, request fire and rescue upon arrival". Worked every single time. And I am sure "roll the trucks" would have worked too. Before that, I flew in the EU (for almost a decade, and not from the US myself) I declared an emergency, twice, did the "mayday-x3", repeated it on every frequency, advised ATC we would be unable to vacate the runway due to a hydraulic failure, and still had a couple of aircraft behind us forced into go around because ATC did not realize that we would need a tow after landing. Maybe the US isn't very ICAO, but at least the controllers understand English and aviation. (yes, I have had bad luck, and I have at least another 5 emergencies that didn't require "the trucks".)

You're bad luck, aren't you?

[421dog]

You all are essentially asserting, with absolutely no evidence, that us cowboys over here ask, during emergency situations, to “Roll the Trucks”. The only stories of such verbiage in use on this thread, clearly attribute that phraseology to ATC, not, to pilots.

Drop it. It’s getting stale

[hans brinker]

Originally Posted by Amadis of Gaul

You're bad luck, aren't you?

You are not wrong. Had 2 engine failures in my first 1000 hours on a new jet, and plenty of other things over the years flying. Some of my FOs were definitely not sure if flying with me was a good idea. Talked to plenty pilots with 30k+ hours that never had any engine failures. Last 10+ years have been pretty uneventful, just a few medicals, where its more managing than flying..... Still go to work happy.

[hans brinker]

Originally Posted by 421dog

You all are essentially asserting, with absolutely no evidence, that us cowboys over here ask, during emergency situations, to “Roll the Trucks”. The only stories of such verbiage in use on this thread, clearly attribute that phraseology to ATC, not, to pilots.

Drop it. It’s getting stale

Flying in the US since '05, on my third company, both FO and CA. Standard brief when discussing emergencies is always "..... tell them to roll the trucks". The "request emergency vehicles" I have not heard in the cockpit. Sorry

[Pugilistic Animus]

"Roll the equipment"
awaiting incoming