A320 SRS engagement

[vilas]

Hi guysI noticed a change in FCOM about engagement of SRS mode in go around(similar change for takeoff). Quoted below:
SRS GA engages when all of the following conditions are applicable:

• The flight crew sets at least one thrust lever to the TOGA detent
  
• The slats or the flaps are extended
  
• The aircraft is airborne, or on ground for less than 30 s.

​​​Previously it required only the flap lever positioned atleast at 1 and not the surface itself. Does any one of your FCOM have the same? It's mistake in my opinion.

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[PGA]

The A380 FCOM states the following:

”The slats/flaps configuration (based on the real position or flaps lever position) is different from the clean configuration”

[vilas]

Originally Posted by PGA

The A380 FCOM states the following:

”The slats/flaps configuration (based on the real position or flaps lever position) is different from the clean configuration”

I should have mentioned I was talking about A320 FCOM. A380/A350 VFE comes from actual surface position and not from lever position like A320. But my question is for engagement of GA mode.

[8314]

Same here.
Only in FCTM normal procedures GA phase activation can I find:

If the thrust levers are set to the TOGA detent with the flaps LEVER at 0, the following will occur:

AP/FD remain in appr/ ldg phase
etc…


deten the thrust levers are set to the TOGA detent with the FLAPS lever at 0, the following occur:t with the FLAPS lever at 0, the following occur:

[vilas]

Originally Posted by 8314

Same here.
Only in FCTM normal procedures GA phase activation can I find:

If the thrust levers are set to the TOGA detent with the flaps LEVER at 0, the following will occur:

AP/FD remain in appr/ ldg phase
etc…

r:

You will find in FCOM in autoflight approach landing, go around.

[8314]

I know, our FCOM says the same as your initial statement: no mention of the lever!

[sonicbum]

Originally Posted by vilas

Hi guysI noticed a change in FCOM about engagement of SRS mode in go around(similar change for takeoff). Quoted below:
SRS GA engages when all of the following conditions are applicable:

• The flight crew sets at least one thrust lever to the TOGA detent
  
• The slats or the flaps are extended
  
• The aircraft is airborne, or on ground for less than 30 s.

​​​Previously it required only the flap lever positioned atleast at 1 and not the surface itself. Does any one of your FCOM have the same? It's mistake in my opinion.

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Hi Vilas, same here. FCOM MAY 22.

[iggy]

So, if SRS does not engage with the lever at Flap 1 position if the actual surface is not deployed, have they also changed the procedure in case of flapless landing (select Flap 1 so in case of GA the SRS will engage)?

[vilas]

Originally Posted by iggy

So, if SRS does not engage with the lever at Flap 1 position if the actual surface is not deployed, have they also changed the procedure in case of flapless landing (select Flap 1 so in case of GA the SRS will engage)?

That's the problem. Nothing else has changed. Even FCTM talks about lever not the surface.

[tubby linton]

Has somebody in Toulouse thought that we don’t want a crew getting airborne if the slats flaps have not extended correctly which is why this change implies surface rather than lever position?

[Sergei.a320]

Originally Posted by vilas

Hi guysI noticed a change in FCOM about engagement of SRS mode in go around(similar change for takeoff). Quoted below:
SRS GA engages when all of the following conditions are applicable:

• The flight crew sets at least one thrust lever to the TOGA detent
  
• The slats or the flaps are extended
  
• The aircraft is airborne, or on ground for less than 30 s.

​​​Previously it required only the flap lever positioned atleast at 1 and not the surface itself. Does any one of your FCOM have the same? It's mistake in my opinion.

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Hello, you may check GSOH of this chapter and find was it wording enhancement or pin programming result😉

[vilas]

The problem is FCTM doesn't say flaps/slat but only lever out of zero. So it needs amendment. And if it's really modified then slat/flap jammed at zero procedure needs change.

[AerocatS2A]

My FCOM (09-SEP-22) says:

Setting at least one thrust lever to the TOGA detent engages both SRS/NAV modes, if:
- The flaps lever is at least in position 1, and
- The aircraft is in flight, or
- The aircraft has been on ground for less than 30 s (AP disengages and can be re-engaged 5 s after lift-off).

[AerocatS2A]

I take that back. We were a bit behind but our latest FCOM has flaps/slats position rather than lever position.

[vilas]

Originally Posted by AerocatS2A

I take that back. We were a bit behind but our latest FCOM has flaps/slats position rather than lever position.

It's was a mistake as I thought. You should be getting a correction reverting to older statement.

[AerocatS2A]

Originally Posted by vilas

It's was a mistake as I thought. You should be getting a correction reverting to older statement.

I imagine we will get it in the next year or two.