Low Visibility Ops in US
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Low Visibility Ops in US
In the US the METARS do no not explicitly state 'low visibility procedures in force'. How then should we know when it's safe to go down to CAT II or III minimums?
I read somewhere that the ILS sensitive zone will be protected when RVR is below 2000 feet and/or the cieling is below 200ft (I'm not mistaken). But there is of course other equipment that needs to be functioning for a low vis approach. Is it just assumed that the airport is operational for low vis unless otherwise stated.
I read somewhere that the ILS sensitive zone will be protected when RVR is below 2000 feet and/or the cieling is below 200ft (I'm not mistaken). But there is of course other equipment that needs to be functioning for a low vis approach. Is it just assumed that the airport is operational for low vis unless otherwise stated.
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Oh, darn good question, and one nearly difficult to answer. Bottom line is that when you know where you are going and know what the approach should look like (with full qualifications,) perhaps make one approach, to look. If junk prevails, GA, divert and do it now. Bruised SLC and paid freight are not going to make a measurable difference, when properly delivered. Other generic rules do not apply. -NFZ, gratefully retired but not yet a metal cripple.
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EASA/rest of world and the FAA have tried to harmonise LVPs through AWOHARC but unfortunately it hasn't really worked.
FAA wanted everyone else to move to their system.
Is it really safe to 'assume' the ILS is being protected to CAT III tolerances?
Good question.
FAA wanted everyone else to move to their system.
Is it really safe to 'assume' the ILS is being protected to CAT III tolerances?
Good question.
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question, but I've never seen "LVP in force" on a METAR anywhere in the world. ATIS yes, NOTAMs saying not available yes, but METARS purely give you weather.
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As Gonzo says, attempts to harmonize what 'LVP in force' actually means have largely failed. And in reality, the whole topic is one of the least standardized parts of airport operations around the world. The measures put in place to safeguard operations - and what is actually protected - in poor visibility vary hugely and assumptions galore can often get made based on what someone saw at one airport.
And there is rather a lot riding on those assumptions!
And don't forget departures and ground operations. I personally rather like LVP that safeguard these parts of the operation also.....but if you just assume that it is the case, you might be surprised at the reality!
And there is rather a lot riding on those assumptions!
And don't forget departures and ground operations. I personally rather like LVP that safeguard these parts of the operation also.....but if you just assume that it is the case, you might be surprised at the reality!
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We are required to advise approach control and tower on initial contact when we plan an auto landing with weather greater than 800/2. ILS critical areas are to be protected with weather less than 800/2. ATIS will advise when SMGCS is in effect - 1200 RVR or less.
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I am surprised at the lack of answers to my question. I thought it would be an open and shut thread. With a clear reference to one of the FAA regulations. In other parts of the world it is clearly stated either in the national regulations or in the airport information section of the charts that once vis/ceiling, goes below X LVP is in force, end of story. No assumptions required. I'm left a little bewildered that there hasn't been any clear replies until now. Come on, someone, where's the clear answer.
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Ok just an update, I have read through FAA Order 8000.94 and it seems to say that LVO/SMGCS and the procedures that an Airport has to meet in order to carry out these operations is at BELOW RVR1200. I assume that this means RVR1200 is not included! RVR1200 is CAT II. So this leads me to believe that US airports need not have a LVO procedure in force unless it is operating at CAT III!
Here's the link for that document:
https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/...er/8000.94.pdf
So does this mean that most US airports have no real extra plans in place when the weather drops to CAT II other than guarding the ILS sensitive area?
But then there's this from the Rules and regulations of LA Ontario Airport https://www.lawa.org/uploadedFiles/O...VO%20SMGCS.pdf
These guys seem to include 1200ft. The FAA doesn't
Here's the link for that document:
https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/...er/8000.94.pdf
4. Scope. This order establishes an FAA interservice agreement that provides for consistent low-visibility (less than RVR 1200) airport operations; establishes requirements for uniform low-visibility airport equipment and enhancements; and implements uniform air traffic control (ATC) and airport operator practices and expectations.
Note: For the purposes of this order, LVO means those airport operations conducted at visibilities of less than RVR 1200.
Note: For the purposes of this order, LVO means those airport operations conducted at visibilities of less than RVR 1200.
a. LVO/SMGCS Operations Less Than RVR 1200. When the LVO/SMGCS plan designated authority reports the RVR for any runway is less than RVR 1200, the FAA considers that the conditions may exist to require LVO/SMGCS operations.
When any one portion of the Airfield is in a low visibility condition; i.e., visibility (RVR) values are 1200 feet and below, the entire Airfield is considered to be in low visibility conditions and LVO/SMGCS procedures and restrictions are in effect.
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I am surprised at the lack of answers to my question. I thought it would be an open and shut thread.
In the US, LVO is in effect whenever the RVR is less than 1,200 feet. This is the threshold for an airport to activate their Surface Movement Guidance and Control System (SMGCS) plan. See AC120-57A.
FAA Order 8000.94 requires all Part 139 airports to have an approved LVO/SMGCS plan for ops with RVR less than 1,200 feet.
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Is 1200ft. included?
What happens if the RVR is between 1200-1800ft (both excluded). That's lower than Cat 1 but as per what has been stated LVO would not be in force? Can you go down to CAT 2 minima in the US without LVO being in force?
What happens if the RVR is between 1200-1800ft (both excluded). That's lower than Cat 1 but as per what has been stated LVO would not be in force? Can you go down to CAT 2 minima in the US without LVO being in force?
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Special ground procedures aren't required when the RVR is 1200 ft or above, other than things like ILS protection areas.
The FAA did some studies which concluded that (on the ground) pilots can navigate visually just fine down to something like RVR 500 ft. So LVO level 1 is defined as RVR between 600 and 1200 ft (exclusive). Below RVR 600 ft other restrictions come into play.
By the way this is the same in Canada. LVOP is mandatory for operations below 1200 ft RVR. At or above 1200 ft, a Reduced Visibility Operations Plan (RVOP) is recommended but not mandatory.
The FAA did some studies which concluded that (on the ground) pilots can navigate visually just fine down to something like RVR 500 ft. So LVO level 1 is defined as RVR between 600 and 1200 ft (exclusive). Below RVR 600 ft other restrictions come into play.
By the way this is the same in Canada. LVOP is mandatory for operations below 1200 ft RVR. At or above 1200 ft, a Reduced Visibility Operations Plan (RVOP) is recommended but not mandatory.
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This is the key question. Using LAX as an example.....The Jepp charts show 1800 RVR on the most frequently used runways for landing. What if it is less than 1800 but not below 1200 RVR?
I hear ya, 32 yrs of flying to the US and I have never done a Cat. II/III there. EUR is a very different story.
LVPs in the EU, as you say, seem much more formalised but the real-world results don’t appear to differ.
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Does someone has an answer to that question?. I just recently overflown JFK and the visibility was around 1500RVR. On the ATIS it didn’t mention low vis ops in use. Cat 1 minima is 1800RVR. My company procedure wants me to have low visibility operation in force for a CAT 2/3 approach. How does it work in the US?
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How does it work in terms of what? Let’s say it’s 1500RVR, ATC would normally be protecting the ILS critical area, and you’ll be cleared for the ILS as usual. When you leave the runway, if there’s an applicable SMGCS chart, you use it.