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A320 Ground Spoilers after landing.

Old 3rd Oct 2021, 15:08
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Uplinker. The PM just needs to look at the Ecam lower display. No need really to rely on the sound of it. But I get your point, it’s a nice trigger.
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Old 3rd Oct 2021, 16:02
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Only one thing i.e. thrust levers should not be nursed to TOGA but should be very firmly pushed to the stop for go around. Because thrust levers are also phase selectors and many incidents of stopping short and continuing descent in approach mode have happened.

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Old 4th Oct 2021, 06:26
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A320251N

thanks for the link
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Old 4th Oct 2021, 06:30
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Uplinker

On this side of the pond, the PF calls “after landing” or “flaps up”, and all items are accomplished by the PM. No “cue” needed.
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Old 4th Oct 2021, 13:26
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Fair enough.

@pineteam, yes, although as I say PM can be very busy looking in other places just after exiting the runway. Without the actual call that Check Airman uses, it is helpful for the audible click to join the "things to do" list in PM's brain, without them having to constantly look down to see when PF has disarmed the spoilers - PM can look outside and do other things until they hear the click. Our SOP's used to have PM switch over the landing and taxi lights, so it was important for them to do so straight after PF had "called" for the scan by clicking the spoiler disarm.

We used to 'click' the spoiler arm up as well, on approach I imagine Airbus designed it to make a noise, since it is not necessary electrically for a switch to do so.

But no control ever needs to be smashed.
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Old 4th Oct 2021, 13:27
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Yes: that's my objection to Airbus SOPs.
There shouldn't be an implied cue; but, rather a verbal direction.
Sort of like everywhere else in the flight.
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Old 4th Oct 2021, 23:16
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Iíve noticed spoilers deployed in a climb before due to my colleagues accidentally deploying them some what instead of disarming.

Iíve also had them left deployed after landing and after the speed brake lever was disarmed. Colleague forgot to cancel reverse.
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Old 5th Oct 2021, 06:53
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I think the write up in FCOM is not correctly sentenced and is misleading.
RETRACTION The ground spoilers retract:
  • After landing,
  • After a rejected takeoff, when the ground spoilers are disarmed.
  • During a touch and go, when at least one thrust lever is advanced above 20 į.

    Actually the first two conditions. After landing and after a rejected Takeoff, both require ground spoilers disarmed?
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Old 6th Oct 2021, 09:28
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Yes, they have omitted "when the ground spoilers are disarmed" from the first line.
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