Look out the window?

[ACMS]

Agree with all of the above and besides it’s easier………

[FlightDetent]

identity the aim point (between the papis )

Say that again?

[TukwillaFlyboy]

Good grief.
There is another thread discussing a mishandled go-around in an A350.
Thats what this sort of thinking ends up causing.
Glad I’m almost at the end.
The profession of “Pilot” is dying.

[Wirbelsturm]

Glad I’m almost at the end.

You and me both!

Imagine the confusion when flying the 'FD's' heads in to the 'deck' during an RNAV or an NPA when the MAP is waaaaaaay earlier! (HND Rwy 22 or the Canarsie are prime examples imvho)

Throw in a time critical event mayhap and the jet t'would be all over t' shop!

[Check Airman]

crimito

Some people don’t realise you can turn them off, it seems.

[Banana Joe]

But unfortunately there are several operators that prohibit their crews to turn them off unless required by the procedure.

[MetoPower]

Originally Posted by fire1982

I m speechless about this post..

So am I.
I reached the end 2 1/2 years ago with no regrets.
Unfortunately this is the trend and fashion with the "Magenta Line Pilots" and this one will probably soon become a fleet manager .... say no more!!!

[Check Airman]

Somebody sent me a quote recently:

Under pressure, you will not rise to the occasion- instead, you will sink to your level of proficiency

Wise words.

[Fly3]

Check Airman
That's a good one.

[The Banjo]

I had trouble during lower vis training when getting visual at the bottom. Looked at the runway too much and got very wobbly and unstable. Fixed by confirming visual then mostly back to the dials until 50'

[mgahan]

Is this not "Dominant Response Hierarchy", Which is why we drill procedures so they become dominant response in an emergency when stress levels are higher.

[Vessbot]

Many times, the relevant "procedure" not "drilled" being to simply fly the plane...

Reminds me of this haunting snippet of transcript:

02:44:18 CA: See what the aircraft did!
02:44:27 FO: Turning right sir
02:44:30 CA: What?
02:44:31 FO: Aircraft is turning right
02:44:32 CA: AH
02:44:35 CA: Turning right?
02:44:37 CA: How turning right
02:44:41 CA: Ok come out
02:44:41 FO: Over bank
02:44:41 CA: Autopilot
02:44:43 CA: Autopilot
02:44:44 FO: Autopilot in command
02:44:46 CA: Autopilot
02:44:48 FO Over bank, over bank, over bank
02:44:50 CA: OK
02:44:52 FO: Over bank
02:44:53 CA: OK, come out
02:44:56 FO: No autopilot commander
02:44:58 CA: Autopilot
02:44:58 EC1: Retard power, retard power, retard power
02:45:01 CA: Retard power
02:45:02 : Sound similar to overspeed clacker
02:45:04 CA: Come out
02:35:05 FO: No god except...
02:35:05 SV: "whoop" sound similar to ground proximity warning
02:45:06 END OF RECORDING

[Check Airman]

Perhaps it is. You’ve introduced me to the term. In our case, for many people, the dominant response is “more automation”. Those people scare me. I have seen first hand their dependence on the FD for the simplest of tasks, and to say it’s concerning is an understatement.

[Check Airman]

The Banjo

I think that’s a pretty common problem. I’ve seen and done it in the sim. This is where training works. Stay inside for as long as possible, and it keeps things going well.

[BoeingDriver99]

Errrrrrrr isn't that the problem?

[Check Airman]

I should’ve been more clear. I’d only do that under low vis, where some people have a tendency to destabilise an approach (either by going above or below the GS) after breaking out. Gotta make sure you stay on the glide slope.

[Bill Macgillivray]

Has something gone wrong in modern aviation (or the training)? I was always very grateful for "modern" aids in my flying career (and they kept appearing and I used them!) but was always told (and always did) use them as aids until I was happy to go visuaL! I also taught this in both the military and civil world. for many years! Guess I am now well out of date!

[FlightDetent]

And so the cat is out.

[Check Airman]

Not seeing what the problem is here. In one specific situation, some people have a tendency to destabilize an approach after going visual. What's wrong with protecting against that by keeping a close eye on the glideslope? Now if you can't do it from a 6 mile final, that's a bit different.

[FullWings]

But, if you’re following the FDs, that means you’ve taken the autopilot out! No wonder you’re having problems! Scary stuff...

In my outfit, we do a lot more AP out FD off visual stuff in training than we used to, often to a runway that has no slope guidance at all, as skill fade does happen in this area. It is surprising how many people have forgotten about simple aiming point technique and/or have got used to being fed by the FD and ignoring what’s going on outside. The way some approaches are coded can leave a nice surprise for you if the MAP is before the threshold and you’re a religious devotee of the magenta cross...