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A320: What "additional procedures" are you considering when reaching the STS page?

Old 24th Jan 2021, 20:00
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A320: What "additional procedures" are you considering when reaching the STS page?

Hello everyone,

Per Airbus FCTM, when reaching the STS page, the crew should consider any normal C/list, or any additional procedure as applicable.
Apart from APU start, engine relight if no damage, what other checklists could be considered?
thank you in advance.
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Old 24th Jan 2021, 22:07
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Sytem reset, before diving into the lengthy read.

The engine restart you mention is only one of the systems reset in the larger picture. Since the EO drill goes deep most pilots think that way. The FCTM explains it properly when read with a naked eye.

Look at your wording,
, when reaching the STS page, the crew should consider any normal C/list, or any additional procedure as applicable
not exactly the true FCTM

is it?

For the "any additional procedure" I never had something particular in mind. Talking to ATC and discussing what request to place with them if obvious might be a good move at that moment. Interrupting the drill in a controlled manner is not a bad choice, helps the brains to catch up.

Your suggestion of APU start, while nowhere mentioned in the books, fits well my understanding of the sequence.
1) you notice the problem, and acknowledge it
2) you fly
3) the 2 of you CRM a little and navigate
4) you check together what actually did happen (FCTM = by observing the OVHD panel too)
5 - ECAM ACTIONS) you secure the malfunction, isolate essential systems etc. This is no solution, just getting the horse back beneath your saddle.
6) you make an attempt to restore what's possible (APU start, ENG relight - well we do not do those actually)
7) - STATUS you learn in detail what the situation is and some consequences: This makes sense only after having tried to nudge the beast a little.
8) Count your chicken, make the decision to divert, return or continue
9) CRM a little more, three now is better than two before


So at 6) It's engine restart, APU start, ... computer reboot, system reset using the normal control such as stuck PTT. My take it's the moment you want to take a breat before kind of "committing" to the failure as originally displayed.

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Old 25th Jan 2021, 08:40
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- Flaps/slat jamm
- Overweight landing procedure
- One engine inpo (straight in Or circling approach)
- Landing gear gravity extension
- Supplementary as in emergency evacuation probable or not, rnav, rvsm, etops...

Just remember the acronym FOOLS, this list should give you a good headstart.
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Old 25th Jan 2021, 11:43
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Iggy, genuine question. Is the suggestion to apply those before the first read of the STS page?

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Originally Posted by iggy View Post
- Flaps/slat jamm
- Overweight landing procedure
- One engine inpo (straight in Or circling approach)
- Landing gear gravity extension
- Supplementary as in emergency evacuation probable or not, rnav, rvsm, etops...

Just remember the acronym FOOLS, this list should give you a good headstart.
I am afraid none of those procedures are considered before STATUS.
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Old 25th Jan 2021, 13:36
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Originally Posted by FlightDetent View Post

So at 6) It's engine restart, APU start, ... computer reboot, system reset using the normal control such as stuck PTT. My take it's the moment you want to take a breat before kind of "committing" to the failure as originally displayed.
Strictly speaking APU start is not an additional procedure at that stage, as its use is mentioned as a note at the end of the ENG SHUTDOWN procedure, and it is not mandatory (but definitely desirable).
It should hence be started upon completion of ECAM actions.
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Originally Posted by iggy View Post
- Flaps/slat jamm
- Overweight landing procedure
- One engine inpo (straight in Or circling approach)
- Landing gear gravity extension
- Supplementary as in emergency evacuation probable or not, rnav, rvsm, etops...

Just remember the acronym FOOLS, this list should give you a good headstart.
ECAM then QRH then FCOM then MEL (to help you decision).
This is the ECAM discipline, same thing for the past 33 years. You don't want to be in the middle of the QRH with an open ECAM (unless this is directed by the ECAM itself, with "Procedure so and so.... APPLY")
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Originally Posted by FlightDetent View Post
Iggy, genuine question. Is the suggestion to apply those beforethe first read of the STS page?
No, after status.
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Originally Posted by vilas View Post
I am afraid none of those procedures are considered before STATUS.
No, that is to be considered after the status.
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Originally Posted by sonicbum View Post
ECAM then QRH then FCOM then MEL (to help you decision).
This is the ECAM discipline, same thing for the past 33 years. You don't want to be in the middle of the QRH with an open ECAM (unless this is directed by the ECAM itself, with "Procedure so and so.... APPLY")
Jesus!!

No, that is to be considered after the status!!

Okay okay, I'm a moron and I didn't read the OP question properly!
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Originally Posted by iggy View Post
Jesus!!

No, that is to be considered after the status!!

Okay okay, I'm a moron and I didn't read the OP question properly!
Nah don't worry, we are all here only to try and piss each other off
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At a previous company, we worked through initial ECAM and any OEBs. If it is an EFATO, follow any emergency turn as appropriate, then level off to clean up, then climb to MSA. Continue ECAM as you climb; working through the system pages. When you get to STATUS, pause to run the after take-off/climb checklist, if applicable. Then read STATUS fully and apply any STATUS actions, computer resets, MEL, or QRH actions and relevant operational tasks. The latter could be engine bleed(s) and pack(s), for example and could include starting the APU. Although we often did bleed and APU actions as we processed the relevant system pages.

Then you are into TDODAR.

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Old 25th Jan 2021, 21:45
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@uplinker, #askingforafriend
At a previous company, we worked through initial ECAM and any OEBs.
Was there any plan at the said company to eventually change for OEB first and then the ECAM? I understand the chance to do system resets in lieu of computer resets and that streamlined before the STS was not taken at many places around the globe. But doing the OEBs in proper sequence got a good grip elsewhere ...

Now asking for myself, when did you guys manually turn off the supplementary HYD pump after EFATO on the 330?

sonic Did not know that note at the end of ENG SHUTDOWN FCOM existed. This places the APU launch at the same moment where the A330 shows it on the STS page.

I personally used to do it with the crowd when reviewing the ELEC page, and still would if suggested by the colleague at that point, but the A330 ECAM got me thinking to move somewhere else and proper. Ended doing as described, not aligned with the note.

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Old 25th Jan 2021, 22:07
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Ok thanks for all the replies.

System reset wasn't part of my question because there is a list of resets in the QRH so I never wondered about those.

So if APU shouldn't even be considered before reading STS, what is left? Eng. relight? nothing else?
I was thinking about balancing Fuel if a Fuel imbalance was noted as part of the Eng. relight ECAM.
But to be honest, I'm not sure I would do it before reading STS. I am just trying to find examples of "additional proc's" one would do BEFORE reading STS. And outside of eng. relight, I cant find anything.
If there is only one applicable procedure, why the use of "any" the FCTM? ("any applicable procedure")

Thanks again for the discussion.
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Old 26th Jan 2021, 01:38
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How about:
Dispatched with STBY AOA inoperative on MEL. During flight, one of the other AOA probe heater fails (CAPT of F/O). Since the ECAM does not handle a dual AOA heater failure (unless equipped with FWC software standard F10 or later), when reaching STATUS, apply the QRH DOUBLE AOA HEAT FAILURE.
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Old 26th Jan 2021, 01:41
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Those are computer resets, just sayin'... could be two different things.

You seem to be looking for exact items, I'm afraid there aren't any. It would be spelled out somewhere, guess one can read that as in:
any additional items you can think of at the moment. Just as the answer to "Ready for status" shoud be IMHO an implicit no. At that point, you do not know what you may be missing yet and need time to think. First, come back to whatever you had been doing before the master caution. Resume normal workflow - oh normal check-list (that's systematic, so spelled out already). Perhaps FL 100 items? Any daring relevant side-effect of an active MEL item?

Some other imminent ideas
- call Tel Aviv Identification
- activate engine anti-ice
- stop any fuel re-balancing transfer
- inform ATC "unable RVSM due equipment"
- make a position report
- wait for your colleague to return from the toilet
- ask the ATC for a pre-cautionary descent or reduced climb ceiling
- plug the charger into the EFB which just started showing LO-BATT
- return the call from the F/A you cancelled
..
..
..

My guess that's what they meany by "any". The foreseen items are already embedded in the ECAM action lines or STS.
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Between ECAM and STATUS is a good breather to address issues that were interrupted like a C/L or actions that may get rid of the ECAM itself or ask for a hold etc. In ECAM application there are a few local variations. As a few start APU at electrical page and some others only push the APU master but not start it yet so when you remove status page APU page stares at you reminding you to start it. Some attempt engine restart only after STATUS is completed as invariably even after a successful restart you need to land back or go to takeoff alternate.
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Old 26th Jan 2021, 03:23
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At Status, We stop Ecam and check the “CAR”.
Checklist? Apu? Reset?
Then Continue Ecam.
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Old 26th Jan 2021, 03:38
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At that point I was taught to use the SCORE mnemonic - STOP ECAM, Normal Checklist (eg after take-off), OEBs and Reset/Relight, continue ECAM.
In the engine failure case I ask for the APU to be started when reviewing the ELEC page.
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Old 26th Jan 2021, 03:54
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We also used to start APU at the Electric page but then it was changed to start it only when reaching Status page. Not sure why tho.
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