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Using 737 Passenger Aircraft for Cargo.

Old 31st Mar 2020, 13:36
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Neos Air Italy using 787's to/from China carrying in-cabin bulk packages strapped to seats and hold cargo, as is EI with A330's too t/from Eire
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Old 31st Mar 2020, 15:17
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Originally Posted by compressor stall View Post
Do you have a reg for detection / suppression of cargo / baggage fires carried upstairs?

No, but as there are regulations pertaining to fire detection and suppression below stairs I'm sure that carrying cargo above stairs without similar restrictions would not be allowed.
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Old 1st Apr 2020, 02:33
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You have the right to be sure, but that doesn't mean you're correct (for every NAA).
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Old 1st Apr 2020, 13:53
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Fair point - perhaps they do just chuck it on regardless.
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Old 1st Apr 2020, 21:41
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Well it’s not just “chucked” in per se, but operators generally know what’s going upstairs. or screen as appropriate.
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Old 1st Apr 2020, 22:40
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Originally Posted by deltahotel View Post
excrab. Thanks for that - knew Channex did the changeover thing, but never knew the details.

The Boeing freighter quick descent is quite a thing to practise in the sim!
Is it like an ED but to FL 250?
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Old 2nd Apr 2020, 03:23
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https://www.flightglobal.com/air-tra...137672.article
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Old 2nd Apr 2020, 07:10
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Pugilist. Sort of to start with. So it’s all about starving the fire of O2 then doing a very rapid arrival.

1. Descend quickly to F250
2. Depressurise the ac and reconfigure the airflow (lots of different sequences for this depending on type).
3. Position the ac 45-60 track miles to go
4. Plummet. Vmo descent with AB aiming for 3000’, 15 miles at Vmo then max slow down, throw it on the ground, run away.

You really need landing clearance before leaving F250 because as you descend the O2 will increase and there is a risk of reigniting any residual fire. I think we’re doing this in our recurrent sim sequence just starting.

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Old 2nd Apr 2020, 14:44
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Thank you DeltaHotel, for the clarification.
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Old 5th Apr 2020, 06:23
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EL AL 777 Pax to Cargo

EL AL Israel Airlines and its cargo division are operating cargo-only flights utilising its passenger aircraft in response to a reduction in flights, the closure of borders and the increasing demand for medical equipment such as face masks and other essential goods.

In order to increase its cargo capacity, EL AL has removed the passenger seats in some of its Boeing 777 aircraft to enable higher volumes of cargo to be transported.

This step was taken ahead of the carrier ceasing all of its passenger flights on April 4, 2020, due to low demand and travel restrictions caused by the coronavirus.

The removal of the seats in the passenger aircraft allows the aircraft to carry around 50 tons of cargo.

EL AL stated that these measurements were calculated after it had removed the seats from two passenger Boeing 777-200 aircraft (pictured).

The converted aircraft will be used by EL AL’s cargo division to meet market demand on routes to New York, Beijing, Hong Kong and Shanghai.



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Old 7th Apr 2020, 23:37
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To meet the ever-growing demand of cargo n to keep abreast with the supply of essential items & medical consumables, SpiceXpress flight SG 7101 from Delhi to Chennai created history by transporting cargo in the passenger cabin of the aircraft.


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Old 12th Apr 2020, 07:29
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Air Canada 777 passenger to freighter conversion


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Old 13th Apr 2020, 20:06
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Sun Express Passenger to Freighter Conversion

https://www.dailysabah.com/business/...o-only-flights
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Old 20th Apr 2020, 22:16
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FAA Approves Seatless Airliners For Freight

The FAA has issued guidance to airlines who want to take the seats out of idle aircraft and fill them with cargo. The drastic drop in passenger traffic has had a parallel effect on available cargo space. Some airlines were flying cargo-only flights with empty seats upstairs but the safety alert for operators (SAFO) issued by the agency gives formal approval for temporary freight conversions. The SAFO says freight can be carried in the overhead bins, on the seats or on the floor, with the seats removed. The seat tracks can be used for tying down the cargo. The weight and balance has to be calculated and the floor strength considered in placing the freight. One or more airline employees have to ride with the cabin freight because there are no fire detection systems in the passenger cabin. The freight can’t block access to the fire extinguishers.
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 09:20
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Nice one. Can’t see anything to complain about there. Perhaps the airlines using this might like their crews to have a read of the Boeing FCTM on expedited descents in the event of a cargo fire.
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 13:13
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Sample Loadsheet For Cargo In Passenger Aircraft

See possible loading scenario for pax version 737 NG (in attachment).

Heavy items in the lower hold, bulky and light items on the passenger seats, overhead bins, and below seats.

Also attached EASA guidelines.
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Old 7th May 2020, 17:24
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B738 Emergency medical supplies beginning of April 2020
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Old 8th May 2020, 17:33
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Any other 737 Operators ?

Would be nice to see some more photos of cabin arrangements.
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Old 11th May 2020, 07:40
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Nice Article Regarding Passenger To Cargo Ops.

This might very well become the “New Normal”. I would imagine the next step would be to design a purpose-built cabin-container-unit with attachment points that would fit onto the seat tracks.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhor.../#348d4a156283
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Old 13th May 2020, 22:44
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IATA issues new guidance on cargo transport in passenger aircraft

Just came across this.
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