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Is autopilot or FD necessary for PBN RNP APCH (LNAV)

Old 28th Nov 2019, 16:03
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Is autopilot or FD necessary for PBN RNP APCH (LNAV)

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Looking for information regarding PBN. Have to figure-out is autopilot or flight-director is necessary on board to get operational approval for RNP APCH (LNAV). In AMC 20-27 You can find some not very clear statements, from which can be understood, that AFCS is necessary. Thanks in advance!
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 12:04
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To be specific for RNP Approach or Rnav(GNSS) in which RNP not less than 0.3 NM with LNAV Minimar

Auto Pilot is NOT required, however FD is required to be followed

REF1: A330 / A320 FCOM-> Procedures->Special Operations -> 51 Performance Based Navigation (PBN) -> RNP APCH/RNAV (GNSS) 30 NOV 2019
REF2 :ICAO DOC9997 Performance-Based Navigation (PBN) Operational Approval Manual 2018 -> Chapter 4 Nav Spec & DOC 9613 AN/937
EASA CS-ACNS ACM 20-27
FAA AC90-105
SOP -> Procedure -> DES Prep & Approach using FINAL APP
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 13:54
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It will all depend on what the manufacturer has managed to demonstrate to the authority.

737 with the latest FMC Update can do RNP 0.10 with or without AP.
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 16:46
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Well, how is it in FLS (airbus) or IAN (Boeing)? Different indication which is completely ILS alike in looks and behaviour. Considering that we can easily fly GLS/ILS approaches to CAT I limits and with a HUD in some cases to CAT III limits, why would we not be able fly an RNP approach to a lower limit if the indication system supports that?
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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 07:19
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Well, how is it in FLS (airbus) or IAN (Boeing)? Different indication which is completely ILS alike in looks and behaviour. Considering that we can easily fly GLS/ILS approaches to CAT I limits and with a HUD in some cases to CAT III limits, why would we not be able fly an RNP approach to a lower limit if the indication system supports that?
In our fleet at least (NEOs), we have FLS, which precludes RNP approaches. RNP approaches with radius-to-fix legs requires FINAL APP mode, which does not play well with FLS. An update is supposedly on the way that will change that... but apparently FLS will still only work for straight-in approaches.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 17:18
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A characteristic of the FLS is that it can only be used for straight-in approaches. It is not compatible with curved RNP-AR approaches.
For curved approaches, crews need to undertake specific training and checking, and use the FINAL APP (or APP-DES on A350 aircraft) mode.

Airbus is working towards co-existence of the two modes so that all non-ILS/MLS approaches are flown in FLS and the FINAL APP mode remains available for RNP-AR.
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