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Old 14th Jan 2019, 11:52
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A320 Checklist Questions

1. Why is "After Takeoff /Climb" checklist written that way?

Does Airbus intend us to say "After Takeoff Climb Checklist"?


2. Parking Brake As Required

Does Airbus want us to say "Set" or "On" if the Parking brake is indeed on.


3. Baro Ref Challenge

One of my instructors insisted we respond with, for example, "QNH 1011 Set".

Note the "QNH" addition, but I can't find anywhere in the FCOM or FCTM where it states we're supposed to say "QNH", although it is a good idea.


4. Does anyone know of a book that uses the latest Airbus procedures that explains everything in a neat, organized, coherent way?

Sometimes I think I should give up being a pilot and instead make my money writing an Airbus manual that's more... how can I put it.... pilot friendly.
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Old 14th Jan 2019, 11:58
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Originally Posted by slate100 View Post

4. Does anyone know of a book that uses the latest Airbus procedures that explains everything in a neat, organized, coherent way?

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Itís called the FCOM and FCTM. For anything not in there, itís a company thing. Refer to your ops manual.

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1. Why is "After Takeoff /Climb" checklist written that way?

Because it's a checklist for After Take off, and during Climb

Does Airbus intend us to say "After Takeoff Climb Checklist"?

Yes


2. Parking Brake As Required

Does Airbus want us to say "Set" or "On" if the Parking brake is indeed on.

Airbus callouts use 'Set' and 'Released'.

3. Baro Ref Challenge

One of my instructors insisted we respond with, for example, "QNH 1011 Set".

Note the "QNH" addition, but I can't find anywhere in the FCOM or FCTM where it states we're supposed to say "QNH", although it is a good idea.

I believe there is an option for setting QFE as well using the Baro knob; that may be the reason this is emphasized upon.

4. Does anyone know of a book that uses the latest Airbus procedures that explains everything in a neat, organized, coherent way?

The FCOM itself

Sometimes I think I should give up being a pilot and instead make my money writing an Airbus manual that's more... how can I put it.... pilot friendly.
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Old 14th Jan 2019, 12:40
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Parking Brake As Required
whether Airbus or Boeing when there is a dual/multiple possibility of action the check list always mentiones as required. But it is never the actual response. The response must be what is actual position i.e. ON or Off. For Baro referrance call, a mere SET response is inadequate because PF and PNF could be on different settings. So QNH1011SET or standard SET would remove any ambiguity.
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whether Airbus or Boeing when there is a dual/multiple possibility of action the check list always mentiones as required. But it is never the actual response. The response must be what is actual position i.e. ON or Off. For Baro referrance call, a mere SET response is inadequate because PF and PNF could be on different settings. So QNH1011SET or standard SET would remove any ambiguity.
I appreciate all that, but I'm looking for a specific reference in the FCTM/FCOM where it explicitly states that you would say "QNH" in front of the value. My instructor was adamant about saying QNH, but if it's not in the FCOM/FCTM then it's just his own personal thing.
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if it's not in the FCOM/FCTM then it's just his own personal thing.
As I said, that is not an Airbus prescribed call, if anywhere it will be in your Ops Manual.

Personally, (if itís not written in the ops manual) and heís hung up on saying QNH (which is preceded by a call to set QNH anyway) your instructor has a firm grasp of the non essentials. Be happy that heís got nothing else to pick you up on.
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Don't forget the / in there.
It's called "after takeoff diagonal climb checklist"!
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Personally, (if it’s not written in the ops manual) and he’s hung up on saying QNH (which is preceded by a call to set QNH anyway) your instructor has a firm grasp of the non essentials. Be happy that he’s got nothing else to pick you up on.
My sentiments exactly!
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"Personally, (if it’s not written in the ops manual) and he’s hung up on saying QNH (which is preceded by a call to set QNH anyway) your instructor has a firm grasp of the non essentials."

Until you accidently set QFE instead of QNH.
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Originally Posted by oicur12.again View Post
"Personally, (if itís not written in the ops manual) and heís hung up on saying QNH (which is preceded by a call to set QNH anyway) your instructor has a firm grasp of the non essentials."

Until you accidently set QFE instead of QNH.
So far i only saw a kazakhstan A320 with the option to set QFE....
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Have to disagree with compressorstall slightly. The OEM book does not specify whether or not to say it.

When one size-fits-all guidance is impossible, Airbus need to provide a wider solution. So that different techniques can be used without going against the book or having to modify it. I think that's exactly what we see in the C/L layout.

There is a reason they changed the display on PFD at one stage, and the QNH is painted with the color blue. While verbalizing the letters is unnecessary and thus wrong (as opposed to simply not correct) at some places, elsewhere it might be crucial.

Similar to BARO / MDA / MDH in the minima box of FMA.

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So far i only saw a kazakhstan A320 with the option to set QFE....
Some of the WOW A321 that had come from a Russian airline also had it. They also had working foot heaters-lovely
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As other posters point out I don’t think Airbus really care of the actual word used in many situations. ( aside from those specially published in the FCOM )Park Brake “set” or “On” conveys the meaning equally. If an Airline wishes to have a more specific response then they can publish it.

This is very similar to FMA callouts. Airbus say we must callout all mode changes. However what words do we use, LOC or LOCALIZER ? ALT STAR or ALT CAPTURE, CLB ( pronounced CLIB ) or CLIMB.? The reality is we must callout out to ensure common understanding of the current guidance modes, the exact words have secondary importance.
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Originally Posted by compressor stall View Post


As I said, that is not an Airbus prescribed call, if anywhere it will be in your Ops Manual.

Personally, (if itís not written in the ops manual) and heís hung up on saying QNH (which is preceded by a call to set QNH anyway) your instructor has a firm grasp of the non essentials. Be happy that heís got nothing else to pick you up on.
Awesome!!!
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The difference between QFE and QNH can be quite serious, not so fast Hans.

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Regarding QFE, yes there is benefit in stating QNH/QFE but for such operations procedures and instructions would be in your ops manual. My comments were prefaced with if itís not in your ops manual.
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QNH ops on an aircraft equipped with the QFE option is what I had in mind. To make sure you did not set QFE by mistake, which is ergonomically rather simple slip of a finger.

Some people need just to set the value, others both the number and its reference. The latter crowd might find it very useful to announce the QNH/ QFE (in blue on PFD) during the checklist response.

The design: ...... _ _ _ _ _ _ SET allows for both.


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FWIW it is in our (relatively unmolested) FCOM in the ďstandard call outsĒ section under Standard Operating Procedure. Both in the call outs for passing transition altitude / level, and in the FAF callout.
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Originally Posted by RUMBEAR View Post
As other posters point out I don’t think Airbus really care of the actual word used in many situations. ( aside from those specially published in the FCOM )Park Brake “set” or “On” conveys the meaning equally. If an Airline wishes to have a more specific response then they can publish it.

This is very similar to FMA callouts. Airbus say we must callout all mode changes. However what words do we use, LOC or LOCALIZER ? ALT STAR or ALT CAPTURE, CLB ( pronounced CLIB ) or CLIMB.? The reality is we must callout out to ensure common understanding of the current guidance modes, the exact words have secondary importance.
Concerning FMA Callouts, there can be indeed misunderstandings. In the beginning of my career while working in Asia, I pronounced G/S* "Gee S Star"...I was quite surprised when the Captain put the gear down at this stage, until I figured out that he somehow misunderstood my "Gee S Star" as Gear down...thereafter I changed my callout to the long version "Glide Slope Star" (I still use "Loc Star" though as there is no potential for misunderstanding here). However the FCOM is not very clear on how FMA changed should actually be announced.
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Originally Posted by hikoushi View Post
FWIW it is in our (relatively unmolested) FCOM in the ďstandard call outsĒ section under Standard Operating Procedure. Both in the call outs for passing transition altitude / level, and in the FAF callout.
Not in the OEM edition. Speaking of the C/L response, not the command to re-set itself.
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