E170/190 Angle of Attack
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What ego, O Chesty of My Soul? Airplanes flew long before the 170/190 and will long after. Physics haven't changed, aerodynamics haven't changed.
Outta curiosity, what do you plan on doing one fine day when the QRH is not available (for whatever reason)? Are you up the proverbial small river without the similarly proverbial rowing device or what?
Outta curiosity, what do you plan on doing one fine day when the QRH is not available (for whatever reason)? Are you up the proverbial small river without the similarly proverbial rowing device or what?
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The ego part of thinking what you think looks about right is better than flying the actual pitch and attitude you need to achieve the performance you need.
The chances of not having either of the two electronic QRHs or the two paper QRHs available when we need them is minute but I guess that's why we also have a broad stroke memory item. That would also be the time to employ airmanship.
The chances of not having either of the two electronic QRHs or the two paper QRHs available when we need them is minute but I guess that's why we also have a broad stroke memory item. That would also be the time to employ airmanship.
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Surely you're not suggesting that one look up the pitch from a 115 cell table every time time he changes the attitude. Then what other option is there but to TLAR it first, and then fine-tune based on the performance instruments?
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I'm suggesting that to achieve the performance you require then you fly the correct pitch and power settings.
It might help you to understand that, in normal circumstances, we don't fly pitch and power.
It might help you to understand that, in normal circumstances, we don't fly pitch and power.
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No, the discussion was at the 'I know better so I'll make it up' point.
I don't. No, I can't know them all. That's why the same nice man who Amadis is going to ignore has provided them for me.
I don't. No, I can't know them all. That's why the same nice man who Amadis is going to ignore has provided them for me.
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I guess I wasn't as clear as I thought. I didn't mean knowing them as in being able to recite them to me on the forum, but rather knowing them as in applying them in the cockpit. (Flight director aside, of course.) So, while flying, how do you set the correct pitch and power?
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I don't understand. What do you do with this information? When I said "Surely you're not suggesting that one look up the pitch from a 115 cell table every time time he changes the attitude" you flatly said "no." So you don't look it up when you're flying, you don't memorize them all (as you've said a few times, it's impossible), then what do you do?
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I use it when I need it.
We don't fly pitch or power (no airliner I've ever flown requires it), in normal circumstances, so there's no need to refer to any table, in normal circumstances.
We don't fly pitch or power (no airliner I've ever flown requires it), in normal circumstances, so there's no need to refer to any table, in normal circumstances.