paper Jepps, B777, EFB, FlightDeck Pro
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paper Jepps, B777, EFB, FlightDeck Pro
B777 crews at my airline receive paper Jepp amendments every 14 days and each pilot is required to carry these paper charts.
We have had iPads for about 2 years now, with Jepp FliteDeck Pro for about 7 months.
Effective today, we are no longer required to carry the paper charts in the brown leather binders, with the exception of the Enroute charts. Dropping the requirement to carry those is to follow.
Has Jeppesen stopped printing paper amendments or planning to ?
In other words, no more paper amendments available even if you wanted them ?
At last - something every pilot will agree on. More room in my flight bag and less weight. Yippeeee !
We have had iPads for about 2 years now, with Jepp FliteDeck Pro for about 7 months.
Effective today, we are no longer required to carry the paper charts in the brown leather binders, with the exception of the Enroute charts. Dropping the requirement to carry those is to follow.
Has Jeppesen stopped printing paper amendments or planning to ?
In other words, no more paper amendments available even if you wanted them ?
At last - something every pilot will agree on. More room in my flight bag and less weight. Yippeeee !
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No, Jepp continues to produce paper charts however, electronic charting is 'the next big thing', now. Your company most likely approached your Authority for approval to ise an EFB and replace paper with electronoc charts.
Electronic charts are data rich with features one would have difficulty trying to find on paper.
If leaving paper charts in favor of electronic is good, wait until 'ownship position' is applied to all charts and then through FAA NEXTGen and EASA SESAR we can do strategic route planning using real-time graphical weather combined with real time ATC traffic management. Its not a dream, its a reality and its very good. Stay tuned.
Electronic charts are data rich with features one would have difficulty trying to find on paper.
If leaving paper charts in favor of electronic is good, wait until 'ownship position' is applied to all charts and then through FAA NEXTGen and EASA SESAR we can do strategic route planning using real-time graphical weather combined with real time ATC traffic management. Its not a dream, its a reality and its very good. Stay tuned.
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Neilki:
That's because your principal operations inspector doesn't understand the issue with Jeppesen electronic en route charts. Why do you think Jeppesen still provides paper en route charts with a generic JeppView subscription?
Thats not the case. My 121 is approved for Terminal & Enroute Electronic Jepps as well as all but a tiny sliver of Company Manuals.
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That's because your principal operations inspector doesn't understand the issue with Jeppesen electronic en route charts. Why do you think Jeppesen still provides paper en route charts with a generic JeppView subscription?
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FlyingStone:
e-charts are certainly more in keeping with membership in the Magenta Line Club. Alas, critical MEA changes drop off at certain ranges. That makes them non-compliant and can be a safety hazard. Cumulative DME distances (the "D") are not in the e-chart. Airspace is not shown. There are more, but those are what I recall off the top of my head.
Ironically, Jeppesen does make very large PDFs of e-charts, which are identical to their paper charts. But, the files are huge and available only to airline customers and some commercial customers. They are intended for use by dispatchers and such. They are too unwieldy for inflight use.
Robust database charts are the solution. But, that solution seems to be elusive.
Would you care to elaborate on this? Surely JeppFD (en-route) is million times better than the dreaded paper charts?
Ironically, Jeppesen does make very large PDFs of e-charts, which are identical to their paper charts. But, the files are huge and available only to airline customers and some commercial customers. They are intended for use by dispatchers and such. They are too unwieldy for inflight use.
Robust database charts are the solution. But, that solution seems to be elusive.
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e-charts are certainly more in keeping with membership in the Magenta Line Club.
And I am old-school!
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I have no issue with that setup. I have Jepp FD on my iPad. The approach charts, SIDs, and STARs are great. But, Jepp still sends me paper en route and area charts and they have advised me more than once not to use the FD en route charts.
My problem lies with someone authorizing those particular e-charts use when Jeppesen themselves advises not to use them.
Gotta disagree there, AT. I have just started using an electronic charting app for my area of op (Non Jepp) and it is great. It's a scanned version of the paper. Easier to use, especially with "own-ship" position displayed. I can zoom in, instantly change to a higher-res terminal chart with two taps. The Enroute Hi chart is 65mb (3000nm x 2000nm) and great resolution. The USA obviously has far more data on charts, but if those idiots at Goooogle would allow app access to the SD card, storage wouldn't be a problem for scanned paper charts.
My problem lies with someone authorizing those particular e-charts use when Jeppesen themselves advises not to use them.
