Overfly Permits (again)
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Overfly Permits (again)
Sorry, (never said I wasn't thick).
How come if there are Freedoms of the air - that we need overfly permits? What does one look like? Who arranges it? Can we just toddle off down to our local consulate or embassy and ask for one? If we do actually need these then what happened to the Five Freedoms of the Air (which are in fact seven or more, I believe).
Understandable, if we intend to fly over Pyong Yang in a fast pocket rocket then indeed an over-fly permit may indeed prove to be the best way to go.
Why am I asking? Well there is a plethora of consolidated flight planning systems at one's disposal - nothing on them, online or support, suggests or offers OverFly Permits, they just plan it - and send it out to the crews as briefings - the crews pick it up, know where they have to be at what time and turn up, brief, pre-flight and depart. If this seems over simplistic, then life should be . . . :/
Freedoms
1st the right to fly over a foreign country without landing.
2nd the right to refuel or carry out maintenance in a foreign country without embarking or disembarking passengers or cargo.
3rd the right to fly from one's own country to another.
4th the right to fly from another country to one's own.
5th the right to fly between two foreign countries on a flight originating or ending in one's own country.
6th the right to fly from a foreign country to another while stopping in one's own country for non-technical reasons.
7th the right to fly between two foreign countries while not offering flights to one's own country.
8th the right to fly inside a foreign country, continuing to one's own country.
9th the right to fly inside a foreign country without continuing to one's own country.
How come if there are Freedoms of the air - that we need overfly permits? What does one look like? Who arranges it? Can we just toddle off down to our local consulate or embassy and ask for one? If we do actually need these then what happened to the Five Freedoms of the Air (which are in fact seven or more, I believe).
Understandable, if we intend to fly over Pyong Yang in a fast pocket rocket then indeed an over-fly permit may indeed prove to be the best way to go.
Why am I asking? Well there is a plethora of consolidated flight planning systems at one's disposal - nothing on them, online or support, suggests or offers OverFly Permits, they just plan it - and send it out to the crews as briefings - the crews pick it up, know where they have to be at what time and turn up, brief, pre-flight and depart. If this seems over simplistic, then life should be . . . :/
Freedoms
1st the right to fly over a foreign country without landing.
2nd the right to refuel or carry out maintenance in a foreign country without embarking or disembarking passengers or cargo.
3rd the right to fly from one's own country to another.
4th the right to fly from another country to one's own.
5th the right to fly between two foreign countries on a flight originating or ending in one's own country.
6th the right to fly from a foreign country to another while stopping in one's own country for non-technical reasons.
7th the right to fly between two foreign countries while not offering flights to one's own country.
8th the right to fly inside a foreign country, continuing to one's own country.
9th the right to fly inside a foreign country without continuing to one's own country.
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None of the Freedoms below prevents you from overflying or landing per se; what countries want to do is ensure they know who is going over their airspace beforehand, so they require an application. To compare, as a freedom you're allowed to drive a car, provided you pass a test and get a licence.
Much of the permit process is to do with ensuring operators pay - or have paid - their bills for airspace usage, and a few countries require copies of aircraft docs to ensure airworthiness etc, as well as details of load (DG, surveillance equipment, pax names sometimes). Afghanistan, for example, raises millions of dollars for being in the right place geographically between Europe and Far East.
Much of the permit process is to do with ensuring operators pay - or have paid - their bills for airspace usage, and a few countries require copies of aircraft docs to ensure airworthiness etc, as well as details of load (DG, surveillance equipment, pax names sometimes). Afghanistan, for example, raises millions of dollars for being in the right place geographically between Europe and Far East.
And if you don't comply you may very well find yourself peering from behind a lattice work of steel bars, or having to part with a great deal of dosh to smooth the way, depending on the country.
