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Hello all,
Can anyone here help explain how the fly-by-wire system works in simple terms?
From what I've understood, it is an Electronic Flight Control System. The pilots inputs on the joystick are fed to the computer, the computer then analyzes these inputs and tells the servo actuator to move the flight control surfaces with the help of a hydraulic system.
The advantages of this system is that it reduces the overall weight of the aircraft and also sees to it that the operating limits of the flight are not exceeding even if the pilot induces erratic changes onto the joystick. Also, the computer makes changes on its own when deemed necessary by the computer without any inputs from the pilot.
Have I missed out on anything?
I am a CPL holder without any jet experience. I am preparing for an interview so would like to know about the fly-by-wire system. Also helps in knowing otherwise as well.
Thank you in advance.
Can anyone here help explain how the fly-by-wire system works in simple terms?
From what I've understood, it is an Electronic Flight Control System. The pilots inputs on the joystick are fed to the computer, the computer then analyzes these inputs and tells the servo actuator to move the flight control surfaces with the help of a hydraulic system.
The advantages of this system is that it reduces the overall weight of the aircraft and also sees to it that the operating limits of the flight are not exceeding even if the pilot induces erratic changes onto the joystick. Also, the computer makes changes on its own when deemed necessary by the computer without any inputs from the pilot.
Have I missed out on anything?
I am a CPL holder without any jet experience. I am preparing for an interview so would like to know about the fly-by-wire system. Also helps in knowing otherwise as well.
Thank you in advance.
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Normal aircrafts can be described as fly by cables and pulleys. Lowest FBW, the inputs on the side sick (Airbus) or yoke( boeing) are converted into elctrical signals which are carried by electric wires to flight control servoes. However once you get into electrics it is possible to involve computers to modify the pilot demand. This are called protections, they can be soft (777) where pilot can override them or hard where he cannot even if he wants to (Airbus). This is basic.
Reduced system weight isn't really the biggest advantage.
The flight Control computers recieve many more inputs than just control column/stick position- they recieve flight data such as IAS, ALT, G, AofA etc, and thus tailor the flight control reponse to the conditions, allowing the designer to program the aircrafts response, making the aircraft easier to fly and with more consistent response across the performance envelope.
This allows for things like Envelope Protection, where the control will either not allow, or give vey clear warning, if certain parameters (approach to stall, overspeed, over bank, "G" exceddence) are exceeded.
Another POTENTIAL advantage of FBW is relaxed stability (with "Active" flight controls), the controls providing input to simulate aerodynamic stability. This can lead to reduced drag.
The flight Control computers recieve many more inputs than just control column/stick position- they recieve flight data such as IAS, ALT, G, AofA etc, and thus tailor the flight control reponse to the conditions, allowing the designer to program the aircrafts response, making the aircraft easier to fly and with more consistent response across the performance envelope.
This allows for things like Envelope Protection, where the control will either not allow, or give vey clear warning, if certain parameters (approach to stall, overspeed, over bank, "G" exceddence) are exceeded.
Another POTENTIAL advantage of FBW is relaxed stability (with "Active" flight controls), the controls providing input to simulate aerodynamic stability. This can lead to reduced drag.
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Closed loop, open loop lots of variations in protection and input devices. FBW is a huge topic but in simple terms it replaces a mechanical control system with an electronic one.
Weight is a benefit as is servicing time and complexity. Flight control rigging can be a time consuming activity.
As stated, once you have an electronic system you can make the aircraft behave pretty much how you like.
Weight is a benefit as is servicing time and complexity. Flight control rigging can be a time consuming activity.
As stated, once you have an electronic system you can make the aircraft behave pretty much how you like.
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Can anyone here help explain how the fly-by-wire system works in simple terms?
One of manual input, a sensor reads the input, a valve opens, hydraulic power moves the flight control to the desired position, another sensor on the actuator validates the position of the flight control. A FCC (usually 2x redundant), Flight Control Computer monitors and control's this action, it is usually at least 4 times redundant for each axis of control.
The 2nd is similar but the input comes from an autopilot, Otto the Pilot usually resides within the FCC's.
Not all aircraft have flight protection in manual input mode and it can now be turned off on just about all aircraft.
Superfly, I think your opening summary sums up FBW very well. I think that FBW is nowadays generally taken to mean control through computers, (others correct me if I'm wrong).
In Airbus FBW, amongst the other non-pilot commanded 'changes' the computers may send to the control surfaces are; Approx half rudder towards a live engine in the event of engine failure; Attitude "stability" involving accelerometers giving feedback to the flight control computers to keep the aircraft in roughly the same attitude the pilot last commanded - (not a perfect system, only the autopilot will keep the aircraft in exactly the right attitude for the particular navigation required); and Turbulence load alleviation/damping, (can't remember the exact name), where spoilers and ailerons are used to reduce wing flex in strong turbulence.
Other 'xxx by wire' systems on Airbus include the nosewheel steering, and of course the engine FADECS.
(The only mechanically operated control surfaces on most Airbus are the rudder and the horizontal stabiliser, but both of these still require hydraulics to work).
Good luck!
In Airbus FBW, amongst the other non-pilot commanded 'changes' the computers may send to the control surfaces are; Approx half rudder towards a live engine in the event of engine failure; Attitude "stability" involving accelerometers giving feedback to the flight control computers to keep the aircraft in roughly the same attitude the pilot last commanded - (not a perfect system, only the autopilot will keep the aircraft in exactly the right attitude for the particular navigation required); and Turbulence load alleviation/damping, (can't remember the exact name), where spoilers and ailerons are used to reduce wing flex in strong turbulence.
Other 'xxx by wire' systems on Airbus include the nosewheel steering, and of course the engine FADECS.
(The only mechanically operated control surfaces on most Airbus are the rudder and the horizontal stabiliser, but both of these still require hydraulics to work).
Good luck!
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Would you please explain?
.....it maintains 1g flight (flight path stable), which is quite different to maintaining attitude.
Attitude "stability" involving accelerometers giving feedback to the flight control computers to keep the aircraft in roughly the same attitude the pilot last commanded -
.....it maintains 1g flight (flight path stable), which is quite different to maintaining attitude.
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Please note my use of the word "roughly" Not many folk seem to know about this feature because there seems to be a lot of confusion about it whenever I mention it. I am just off to work, but when I get back I will try to reproduce the diagram in the manual which describes what I am talking about.
Capot; An Airbus is an aeroplane flown by 2 PILOTS. There is NOT a "total dependence on computers". There is a lot of automation available, but there are also extensive procedures and back-up systems should anything go wrong. If ALL the computers were to fail, the PILOTS can still fly the aircraft and recover enough systems to make a safe landing. The high level of automation available produces a modern, efficient, safe, and comfortable flight.
Capot; An Airbus is an aeroplane flown by 2 PILOTS. There is NOT a "total dependence on computers". There is a lot of automation available, but there are also extensive procedures and back-up systems should anything go wrong. If ALL the computers were to fail, the PILOTS can still fly the aircraft and recover enough systems to make a safe landing. The high level of automation available produces a modern, efficient, safe, and comfortable flight.
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At the risk of consigning the thread to a less august forum than Tech Log, can you clarify that?
With any Airbus, my simplistic understanding was always that while in Direct Law control inputs are transmitted unmodified to the control surfaces, and thereby provide a direct relationship between the sidestick and the control surfaces, it still required the computer to receive and transmit those inputs; the main point being that it did not modify them on the way through.
Thus, I have always thought, if all the relevant computers failed (I know, unlikely) the crew would be left with only the elevator trimmer and rudder pedals to control the aircraft, as well as, I suppose, engine thrust. Assuming the hydraulics are OK.
Are you saying that in Direct Law the pilots' inputs go to the control surfaces (or rather the actuators for them, whatever form they have) by a signal that bypasses the computer systems? So the case could never, ever arise where they might have to fall back on the elevator trimmer and so on?
With any Airbus, my simplistic understanding was always that while in Direct Law control inputs are transmitted unmodified to the control surfaces, and thereby provide a direct relationship between the sidestick and the control surfaces, it still required the computer to receive and transmit those inputs; the main point being that it did not modify them on the way through.
Thus, I have always thought, if all the relevant computers failed (I know, unlikely) the crew would be left with only the elevator trimmer and rudder pedals to control the aircraft, as well as, I suppose, engine thrust. Assuming the hydraulics are OK.
Are you saying that in Direct Law the pilots' inputs go to the control surfaces (or rather the actuators for them, whatever form they have) by a signal that bypasses the computer systems? So the case could never, ever arise where they might have to fall back on the elevator trimmer and so on?
No, you are basically right. I'm saying that if all the flight control computers failed, the pilots would still have control of the aircraft through the rudder and horizontal stabiliser. They would be able to keep flying, but they would not be able to land in this state, (or if they did, it would be like Sioux city). They would be able to keep a relatively stable flight path while they reset the flight computers. As long as they got some of the five back, they would be able to land safely.
They would be able to keep flying, but they would not be able to land in this state,
Absolutely !
RetiredF4 ; I have tried to post the Airbus control diagram here for you, as promised, but it has turned out to be too difficult for my limited IT skills, sorry!
Anyway, the point is that there are two separate feedback paths to the flight control computers. One measures the control surface itself - that it has moved where the flight control computer ordered it to go and how far; The second is a "response" feedback which measures how the aircraft moved following the control order, and modifies that order if the aircraft did not respond as required. Both these feedbacks combine to give a sort of attitude stability, meaning that the pilot, when hand flying, does not need to react to every adverse movement the atmosphere causes, (and if s/he does they may find they are 'fighting' the control computers). Better to back off slightly and guide the aircraft rather than actively countering every movement. When hand flying in conditions of heavy turbulence on approach though, the side stick may need to be moved to its' limits to keep to the required flight path.
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RetiredF4 ; I have tried to post the Airbus control diagram here for you, as promised, but it has turned out to be too difficult for my limited IT skills, sorry!
Anyway, the point is that there are two separate feedback paths to the flight control computers. One measures the control surface itself - that it has moved where the flight control computer ordered it to go and how far; The second is a "response" feedback which measures how the aircraft moved following the control order, and modifies that order if the aircraft did not respond as required. Both these feedbacks combine to give a sort of attitude stability, meaning that the pilot, when hand flying, does not need to react to every adverse movement the atmosphere causes, (and if s/he does they may find they are 'fighting' the control computers). Better to back off slightly and guide the aircraft rather than actively countering every movement. When hand flying in conditions of heavy turbulence on approach though, the side stick may need to be moved to its' limits to keep to the required flight path.
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If SuperflyTNT doesn't specify what airplane, the only good answer is, fbw is a flight control system where there is no mechanical linkage between the control wheel or stick or whatever and the surfaces, but electrical signals.
The only fbw systems I know in civil aviation are those of airbus and B777. I don't know what other airliners have fbw
The only fbw systems I know in civil aviation are those of airbus and B777. I don't know what other airliners have fbw
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You have nailed the answer, Micro. 25 words or less.
Confusion exists about FBW systems due to their implementation and not the basic concept described above. A "pure" FBW design would simply use electrical signals to the servos controlling the hydraulics that move the control surfaces. To duplicate the pure mechanical systems that used cables, pushrods, etc., the wheel or stick would move exactly the same amount and have the same forces the pilot feels, but the output would be an electrical signal. This type of system reduces a lotta weight and can also provide redundant paths of the electrons to the control surface actuators.
Confusion exists because along the way, the engineers and operators realized that we could "tailor" the control surface deflections to provide "protections", "dampening" , and even allow aerodynamic "relaxed static stability" planes to be flown by humans. The Airbus "direct law" comes very close to the definition expressed by Micro. But normally, computers "tailor" the signals from the pilot or autopilot to provide safety, performance, etc. So we have gee limits, gee onset rates, angle of attack (AOA) limits, etc.all determined by our particular plane's "control laws" to enhance safety or maximize performance.
See the immense AF447 discussion threads for many posts about "implementation" of FBW.
Hard for me to realize now, that I flew the first "pure" FBW jet 34 years ago, and the jet had been flying using a pure FBW system for 5 - 6 years before that. Only other system like it was the shuttle orbiter.
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You have nailed the answer, Micro. 25 words or less.
fbw is a flight control system where there is no mechanical linkage between the control wheel or stick or whatever and the surfaces, but electrical signals.
Confusion exists because along the way, the engineers and operators realized that we could "tailor" the control surface deflections to provide "protections", "dampening" , and even allow aerodynamic "relaxed static stability" planes to be flown by humans. The Airbus "direct law" comes very close to the definition expressed by Micro. But normally, computers "tailor" the signals from the pilot or autopilot to provide safety, performance, etc. So we have gee limits, gee onset rates, angle of attack (AOA) limits, etc.all determined by our particular plane's "control laws" to enhance safety or maximize performance.
See the immense AF447 discussion threads for many posts about "implementation" of FBW.
Hard for me to realize now, that I flew the first "pure" FBW jet 34 years ago, and the jet had been flying using a pure FBW system for 5 - 6 years before that. Only other system like it was the shuttle orbiter.
Viper pilot '79 sends....