Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Tech Log
Reload this Page >

Help: Airbus FMGS Offset Question please

Wikiposts
Search
Tech Log The very best in practical technical discussion on the web

Help: Airbus FMGS Offset Question please

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 4th Feb 2012, 15:56
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Here, There.
Posts: 36
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Help: Airbus FMGS Offset Question please

Hi,

I have a question regarding offset of current track when required by ATC in Airbus 320. It may be a silly question however!

Say I am flying to a point on track of 295 in HDG mode and ATC require me to offset my track by 5 degrees to the right. I enter 5R on the F PLN page of the FMGS. However, I must then turn towards this heading and push Nav to intercept. My question is, how much should I turn towards the right? Do I turn as extreme as 330 degrees. Is there a particular rule of thumb? Am I turning too much or too little??

Any urgent help is much appreciated!

Thanks
Melissa_Bettochi is offline  
Old 4th Feb 2012, 16:23
  #2 (permalink)  
jtr
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: .
Posts: 686
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Which Version

Hi there,

The "simple answer" is - Go direct to said waypoint then once in NAV put in a 5nm offset and insert...


Little bit of a unusual question as I have never been asked when on a HDG to offset, they just give you a different heading.

How it usually happens...

On HDG 295... ATC want a further 5 deg right... they say "Turn right HDG 300"

or

In NAV... ATC want an offset.. they say "Offset 5 miles right of track"

Option A - in the offset box put 5R... insert (Most A320 FMGC)
Option B - in the offest box put 5R plus the intercept angle and start/finish point (R1A FMGC upgrade installed)

In a roundabout way related to your question... the box will give a 30 deg intercept angle from memory.
jtr is offline  
Old 5th Feb 2012, 14:37
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 1998
Location: Formerly of Nam
Posts: 1,595
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
It may be a silly question however!
Not a silly question at all.

I had a quick look in ICAO Annex but can't find anything on
max dist longitudinally to be fully offset laterally. However if
in HDG and instructed to offset, I fly 60 deg off the route for
2/3 the offset dist, then 30 deg till intercept. TK is useful in
strong XWs (320). The box can also do it but sometimes the
FO might be busy on the typewriter when the call comes in.
In that case while in NAV I just pull HDG and do the above.

Last edited by Slasher; 6th Feb 2012 at 04:39. Reason: should've been "pull HDG" not push...
Slasher is offline  
Old 11th Feb 2012, 01:55
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Wanderlust
Posts: 3,407
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
AIRBUS OFFSET QUESTION

The purpose of offset function is to fly the offset track without getting out of NAV mode. In heading mode you need fly or correct the heading as asked by ATC.
vilas is offline  
Old 11th Feb 2012, 12:28
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: GPS L INVALID
Posts: 579
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Wait - I am a Boeing man, but heading and track should be the same for both! You said you were flying towards a point in HDG (295), if ATC wants you to fly 5 degrees to the right you just twist the heading bug to 300 - what is the issue? That has nothing to do with an offset?! If you are flying an airway and are supposed to fly 5NM (NOT degrees) offset to the right, then you would use the FMS for that surely?!
STBYRUD is offline  
Old 12th Feb 2012, 12:24
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: in the flight deck
Posts: 89
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I think he meant offset 5 nm to the right .
Neupielot is offline  
Old 12th Feb 2012, 12:37
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: uk
Posts: 913
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
If you are using the latest FMGS then you also get the opportunity to define the angle with which you would like to intercept the offset. We only got this function last week and its a big improvement on the standard 30 Deg. which tended to involve a fairly energetic bank angle. FMS2 Rev 1.a has lots of new and handy tricks up its sleeve.
"Rev 1A includes additional options for the lateral offset function. The offset can now be
defined by a Start Waypoint, End Waypoint, Intercept Angle and an Offset distance. "
macdo is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.