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Old 5th May 2011, 04:09
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ABI

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Old 5th May 2011, 04:14
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AFAIK Airbus is a wholly owned subsidiary of EADS, JCJ. Thanks for helping me pointing out our buddy Bear mistake.
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Old 5th May 2011, 04:21
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Old 5th May 2011, 04:39
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Airbus Industries died in 2000 when EADS was set up.
It's just called Airbus today.
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What's the source for this image ???
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Old 5th May 2011, 04:58
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I dunno .. hence my ???

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Old 5th May 2011, 05:44
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jcjeant;

The pic you have uploaded was one I made during the Phase 3 search, and has got no bearing on the current Recovery Operation Position (ROP).

I'll go and have a look through my database and give you the exact date shortly.

EDIT :: You will note that the circle drawn comprises the area the BEA said they were going to originally search and is centered on the NAVAREA V Nav Warning issued by the Brazilian Military. In actual fact, it bore little resemblance to the area that was searched.

The original post is in AF447 Search to resume (part 1)

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Old 5th May 2011, 06:39
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France owns a hefty piece of ABI, and the BEA is a division of the Government, how could anything go sour??
The French Government owns 15% of EADS shares (same as Daimler).

49.15% of the shares are free float.
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Old 5th May 2011, 06:58
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RR_NDB, CONFiture, Caygill, Chu Chu

I think that is the point RR_NDB wants to bring forward :
If the recorders have their own independent power supply, they will keep recording.
My point of logic was: if you have no power for instruments and sensors there is absolutely nothing to record.

Sure, you can verify that any specific data was missing, but if the data cannot be generated or transferred, it cannot be recorded. If you loose all power on a modern aircraft there is nothing left to record if you do not create a completely independent array of sensors powered equally independently
Some additional viewpoints to this issue.
I don't really understand this fuss about independent power supply.
First: From a flight safety viewpoint, surely the most important data the FDR/CVR can provide is why the main electrical power supply/supplies failed? Any subsequent loss of control or a/c gyrations are likely to be a consequence, not a primary accident cause. And that all-important pre-power-failure data is in all likelihood already recorded by current recording systems.

Second: Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe flight recorders are already now powered by a redundant power supply system ("essential bus" or equivalent).

I realize there is a case for an independent recorder power supply. It would help the recording e.g. in situations where the aircraft's main electrical power supply systems go into cyclic restart situations or other nasty states. However, an independent power supply brings its own troubles such as increased maintenance and the risk of failure of the independent power supply (for example, I've had my PC harddisks fried when the PC power supply failed, allowing overvoltage to reach the harddisks). Will the benefits outweigh the costs?

Would there be any value in scattering a few extra pingers around the airframe? There'd be no guarantee, of course, that any that worked would end up in the vicinity of the recorders. But even ones far from the recorders would likely be near something worth recovering.
This might be a feasible avenue forward, and indeed was one of the improvement suggestions which got a high score in the IMO excellent BEA study on the topic which was referred to by AlphaZuluRomeo a few pages back (in post #641).

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(for example, I've had my PC harddisks fried when the PC power supply failed, allowing overvoltage to reach the harddisks)
Not a problem .. voltage surge protection is available and can also be used for black boxes.
I suggest you install one .. or you will lost another hard disk if another voltage surge
If the voltage surge is the result of lightning ... the protection will be useless ...
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Old 5th May 2011, 07:22
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recovery of bodies

This I found on the Airliners.net to day.
AF447:After The Boxes,The Bodies — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net

Is that correct ?? or is the recovery of more parts containing stored data still going on ?
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Old 5th May 2011, 07:25
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Not a problem .. voltage surge protection is available and can also be used for black boxes.
I suggest you install one .. or you will lost another hard disk if another voltage surge
If the voltage surge is the result of lightning ... the protection will be useless ...
It's kinda too late now but fortunately I had data backups. Actually the replacement power supply (replaced on warranty) also failed after a couple of years, but this time in a benign mode. Maybe they had learned something at the manufacturer...
Anyway my point was that also independent power supplies do sometimes fail.
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Old 5th May 2011, 10:20
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A first body has been raised

At about 11h15 French time 09h15z a first body has been raised on board the "Ile de Sein"
There will be an attempt to raise about 10 bodies from now on. The decision was taken by the French Authorities and will be conducted by the Gendarmerie.
French Navy vessel "La Capricieuse " will take the 'boxes" to Cayenne. I think she is already on her way via a port in Brazil for refueling.
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Salut Squawk_ident,

Can you disclose your source of info, please?
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Old 5th May 2011, 10:47
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Le Figaro - France : AF 447 : les corps seront repchs d'ici 48 heures


Le Figaro - France : AF*447*: la boîte noire parlera d'ici à fin mai


The announcement of the recovery of the first body was made on a French Radio some minutes ago.

I have read earlier on this forum or elsewhere, I cannot remember now, that, inside the cockpit, a body has been seen. I think that the authorities might try to recover the cockpit with a body(ies) inside it, or may be they will try to extract the defunct(s) before raising the cockpit.

I'm considering a translation (excerpt) of both articles soon.


Edit: The body raised to the surface was still attached to the seat.
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Old 5th May 2011, 10:58
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Does this say something about the current state of the French Navy that it could not spare a frigate for this phase of the operation, so the government has to rely on a Marine Nationale (Coast Guard) patrol boat that apparently has insufficient range to reach the site without refueling in Brazil?

If they are only going to recover ten bodies at this point, may be that is the capacity of La Capricieuse.
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Old 5th May 2011, 11:22
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The weekly Nouvel Observateur adds that the human remains will be transported next week together with the recorders, to determine whether identification by DNA is possible:
Vol Rio-Paris : un premier corps a été repêché - Société - Nouvelobs.com
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Old 5th May 2011, 11:26
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"La Marine Nationale" is the French name for the French Navy.

France does not have a Coast Guards corps.
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The "Marine Nationale" is indead the French Navy
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Old 5th May 2011, 11:52
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Caractéristiques

La Capricieuse does not need refueiling!
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