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Old 1st May 2011, 21:12
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Swedishflyingkiwi,

Perhaps this was an example for them to see what they were looking for, or is this the actual recovered item?
I also believe it to be a sample. This rises an interesting question: these monitors must be located somewhere at the ship, where, maybe, other people analyzes the images from the ROV. It makes sense, because the operator of the ROV must be too busy to operate the equipment and still search for anything. Alas, the two monitors show the same scene from different POVs, what is consistent with the REMORA 6000 specs (two cameras). I would like to know if this is real time or not.
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Old 1st May 2011, 21:13
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Fine business from Nick L 1st May 2011 17:36

Nick L,

I invite you to be in my craft as a crew member!

Bingo!
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Old 1st May 2011, 21:13
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"I assume that the tensile strength of the attachment bolts is designed so that failure will occur without internal damage to the container."

Yep. For example, the bracket that attaches the SLB (Sonar Locating Beacon) to the ADR of a Tornado A/C [SLB introduced by a MOD many years ago] has specific shimming requirements to allow the maximum "grasp" whilst being able to separate, in extremis, without leading to data section penetration or further damage. The drive unit etc are expendable.

PS just re read your post and on looking at the enlargement there appears to be some visual evidence of possible penetration at the case circumfrence.

Whatever, some great news indeed, fingers crossed.

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Old 1st May 2011, 21:16
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Snowfalcon2,

Will they continue search for the CVR, or is the FDR important enough for the ship to head for port? Or are there other ships in the area that can transport the FDR ashore?
I think I remember to read somewhere that a frigate or other ship would be used to transport the FDR and the CVR to the continent.

Both equipments are too important to they dare to transport it by chopper. Besides, I think that the Ile de Sein has not an helipont.
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Old 1st May 2011, 21:30
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This rises an interesting question: these monitors must be located somewhere at the ship, where, maybe, other people analyzes the images from the ROV.... I would like to know if this is real time or not.
Yes, after more thought it certainly looks like this is a "live review" room on the ship. The window at the back of the room looks very 'ship-like'.

Perhaps this photo was taken 'live' as they loaded the item into the basket. In the background you also see a lot of shredded debris...
Rather than sorting through downloaded images, they are preferring a quick digital photo 'live' from the review room to release to the media as an indication of what is going on. Hi-res photos will be saved for the investigators, us normal people have to settle for what they feed us...
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Old 1st May 2011, 21:37
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For those having doubts about a potential FDR/CVR CSMU confusion, please take a look at my post #447 (hey, what serendipity!)

AZR
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Old 1st May 2011, 21:39
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Cylindrical CSMU for FDR

Henra, Nick L

Solid State Flight Data Recorder - Honeywell Aerospace
This is another model but SHOWS a very important point:

They are also using the cylindrical shape for FDR.

Nick L warned and i am closing now the investigation.

I think we can close the issue.

Honeywell website was not update, BEA has the update and now let´s hope to find the other CSMU and to be both READABLE.

Rgds,

Mac
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Old 1st May 2011, 21:42
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First of all, I think there has been a huge, silent, sigh of relief that a memory module had been retrieved; a tribute to the determination and persistence of all - including AF and AB. I must admit I had the most severe doubts that anything useful would be found and I am delighted that it has. The possibility that the utter disappearance of a modern, well founded airliner was going to remain an almost unexplained mystery was not an edifying one.

Second, for all those SLF and uninitiated on here who, like me, have followed these threads from day one, has it been established definitively that the device recovered is the memory module - ie: the data itself - of the Flight Data Recorder?

Roger.
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Old 1st May 2011, 21:45
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Nick L,

I invite you to be in my craft as a crew member!

Bingo!

Kudos,

Mac
RR_NDB,

Thanks, and if I came off as an a** in my replies to you I apologize.

Sincerely,
Nick
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Old 1st May 2011, 21:51
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Dukane pinger on the BEA photo

Anybody noticed that in the third picture released today from BEA there is actually a "Dukane" (DK120?) ULB standing upright on the top of the wooden cabinet just near the left-down hand corner of the right flatscreen ??
http://www.bea.aero/fr/enquetes/vol....mages/fdr3.jpg

So, with the FDR in the perspex box, that is what they are (were) looking for.

http://www.rjeint.com/pdf/DK-120revD.pdf
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Cylindrical CSMU for FDR

AlphaZuluRomeo,

Perfect,

Thanks!

Mac
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Old 1st May 2011, 22:00
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looking at the enlargement there appears to be some visual evidence of possible penetration at the case circumfrence.
Was hoping someone would notice that, but suspect that even if water has penetrated under pressure, that the individual chips will still give up their contents when interrogated.

Thanks for your reply to my earlier posting.
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Old 1st May 2011, 22:05
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From the New York Times:

Because of its remote location, 600 miles off the northern coast of Brazil, it was expected to take eight to 10 days before the data recorder’s memory unit could be transported — first by boat, then by plane — to Paris, where investigators will attempt to download the information it contains.
So maybe, let´s say, 20 days before some news? How much time until some reading is done (if the memory chip is in good state)?

"Ile de Sein" took only three days to reach it´s present location from Recife, Brazil. So I believe the transport ship is coming from another place (France?), and heading there after meeting the "Ile".

This is also interesting:

After three failed searches, a team of oceanographers located the wreckage last month, barely six miles from the plane’s last known location.
I haven´t seen this information before.
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Old 1st May 2011, 22:10
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Nick L, (Age: 21, Posts: 5)

We must check everything. Murphy´s law never fail.

And we fail despite being very careful.

When you warned i started IMMEDIATELY to investigate.

I will show to my crew (my kids) your "fine business". Good example.

Best regards,

Mac, (age 61)

PS

At your age i started my passion for aviation and learned to be careful. Doing maintenance in HF big transmitters, Data equipt., VHF and BIG, POWERFUL and DANGEROUS NDB.

The RR (QRG 375 Kc/s*) NDB was like a MW Broadcast STN. Huge!


* Now KHz
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Old 1st May 2011, 22:17
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Hi,

a tribute to the determination and persistence of all - including AF and AB
Methink you forget (or .. it is included in all ? ) to quote the determination and persistence of the families associations who fought for the researches continue ....
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Old 1st May 2011, 22:22
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Hi,

Because of its remote location, 600 miles off the northern coast of Brazil, it was expected to take eight to 10 days before the data recorder’s memory unit could be transported — first by boat, then by plane — to Paris, where investigators will attempt to download the information it contains.
Funnily enough one point of view of justice when we know that the BEA is subject of a complaint for obstruction in search of truth in this matter
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Old 1st May 2011, 22:27
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CSMU of FDR

Landroger,

has it been established definitively that the device recovered is the memory module - ie: the data itself - of the Flight Data Recorder?
They found one Crash Survivable Memory Unit (CSMU). They said is the FDR memory.

The rack found before is no longer important.

Now the missing important part is the CSMU of SSCVR, also cylindrical shaped.

Let´s finger cross.

Mac
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Old 1st May 2011, 22:28
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As previously stated by the BEA, a French Navy ship will pick up the CSMU to take it to the nearest port under French control (most likely Fr. Guiana) from where it will be flown to the BEA labs.
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Old 1st May 2011, 22:37
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See this news article on the recovered memory unit. Investigators find black box from Air France crash - Yahoo! News
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Old 1st May 2011, 22:39
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Centrosphere;
"Ile de Sein" took only three days to reach it´s present location from Recife, Brazil.
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

"Ile de Sein" departed from Dakar, Senegal for her voyage to the Recovery Operation Position (ROP).
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