Question about W&B and average pax weight
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EASA Survey on standard weights of passengers and baggage
I recently worked on a project for EASA together with a company called NEA on a survey on standard weights of passengers and baggage.
Here is the link to the final report of this survey:
http://www.easa.eu.int/ws_prod/r/doc...95%20Final.pdf
Here is the link to the final report of this survey:
http://www.easa.eu.int/ws_prod/r/doc...95%20Final.pdf
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Due to the increase in average weight due to the "Obesity"
plague that we seem to be in at the moment, I have been
thinking of starting a new business to prevent industrial
injuries in the Undertaking industry.
Pall-bearers are having to shoulder weights in excess of
any safe limits whilst carrying out their duties, and need
to be removed from potentially hazardous situations whilst
carrying out those duties.
I am proposing the replacement of Pall-Bearers by suitably
quiet electrical fork-lift trucks to carry the dear departed on
their final trip into the Cemetery or Crematorium.
plague that we seem to be in at the moment, I have been
thinking of starting a new business to prevent industrial
injuries in the Undertaking industry.
Pall-bearers are having to shoulder weights in excess of
any safe limits whilst carrying out their duties, and need
to be removed from potentially hazardous situations whilst
carrying out those duties.
I am proposing the replacement of Pall-Bearers by suitably
quiet electrical fork-lift trucks to carry the dear departed on
their final trip into the Cemetery or Crematorium.
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Thanks Cobra for starting this thread coz I've been scratching my head over this subject for a long time. EU and FAA regulations and methodology are quite complicated. I've been thinking whether there are easier alternatives. Wonder if something like weighing the aircraft on the ramp, deducting the known load, then averaging out the pax weight. ANy thoughts? A survey to weigh the pax are both costly and impossible. I agree that the IATA and ICAO or maybe the ACI should work together and look into a more effective solution.
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A survey to weigh the pax are both costly and impossible
Some of the posters are missing the important bit ..
(a) if you are going to use standard weights, the weights used MUST be representative of the population form which you are drawing your passenger loads
(b) standard weights usually are drawn from population studies (eg John K used NHMRC Australia wide population study data, as I recall). One could weigh all passengers for a period but that would be both a pain and take a moderate time before the sample set was sensible
(c) the 707 incident simply highlights a deficiency in the squadron's weight control procedures
(d) the fall back always remains .. if the commander considers that the passenger mix doesn't reflect the population studies then weigh them on the day
(e) there is NO reason why appropriately derived and applied standard weights will not give a pretty accurate figure, especially as the size of the aircraft increases .. other than operator/crew use of inappropriate protocols.
Some of the posters are missing the important bit ..
(a) if you are going to use standard weights, the weights used MUST be representative of the population form which you are drawing your passenger loads
(b) standard weights usually are drawn from population studies (eg John K used NHMRC Australia wide population study data, as I recall). One could weigh all passengers for a period but that would be both a pain and take a moderate time before the sample set was sensible
(c) the 707 incident simply highlights a deficiency in the squadron's weight control procedures
(d) the fall back always remains .. if the commander considers that the passenger mix doesn't reflect the population studies then weigh them on the day
(e) there is NO reason why appropriately derived and applied standard weights will not give a pretty accurate figure, especially as the size of the aircraft increases .. other than operator/crew use of inappropriate protocols.
