IDG vs APU GEN
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The IDG normally contains a summng gear so that as the engine speed varies over a fairly broad range, the input speed to the generator (and thus the output freqency) remains pretty much constant.
The APU core on the other hand is normally connected directly to the generator, as the APU runs at pretty much a constant speed, give or take a bit, so it doesn't need the compensation for a range of input speeds.
The APU core on the other hand is normally connected directly to the generator, as the APU runs at pretty much a constant speed, give or take a bit, so it doesn't need the compensation for a range of input speeds.
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An APU runs at a constant speed and therefore the Generator is mounted directly on the gearbox. An IDG is a combination of a gearbox and a generator as a whole called IDG, the gearbox in the IDG makes sure that the generator stays between a certain speed in order to keep the poweroutput within a certain range. Hope it helps
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G'day Silverhunter,
The actual generators should be or can be identical, the difference is that whereas the APU and it's generator runs at a constant speed the engines don't and some means has to there to be able to run the engine generators at a constant speed while the engine speed varies. This is necessary to keep the frequency of the A.C. power supply, from the engine driven generators, constant as the engine speed varies. As well as keeping the frequency constant the generators on a multi engined aeroplane are also synchronised when the various outputs are fed into a common electrical bus. The frequency stability and synchronisation are all handled by the integrated drive part of the IDG. Each IDG has its own variable speed drive and oil supply and controlling electronics to ensure that it all works as advertised.
Hope this helps, regards, more info if you need it,
BH.
The actual generators should be or can be identical, the difference is that whereas the APU and it's generator runs at a constant speed the engines don't and some means has to there to be able to run the engine generators at a constant speed while the engine speed varies. This is necessary to keep the frequency of the A.C. power supply, from the engine driven generators, constant as the engine speed varies. As well as keeping the frequency constant the generators on a multi engined aeroplane are also synchronised when the various outputs are fed into a common electrical bus. The frequency stability and synchronisation are all handled by the integrated drive part of the IDG. Each IDG has its own variable speed drive and oil supply and controlling electronics to ensure that it all works as advertised.
Hope this helps, regards, more info if you need it,
BH.
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Newer Turboprops tend to have starter/generators on the main engines. Eg Q400's and some of the King Airs.
A quick google search shows that the Dash 8 series APUs have starter/generators.
A quick google search shows that the Dash 8 series APUs have starter/generators.
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Never heard of a generator that is also a starter!
Really?
Suspect the relevant poster is truly out to lunch.
Been done on PT6A engines since....1964, just a short while ago.
Never heard of a generator that is also a starter!
Really?
Suspect the relevant poster is truly out to lunch.
Been done on PT6A engines since....1964, just a short while ago.
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Never heard of a generator that is also a starter!
You say you've been working on aircraft for 30 years, and have never heard of a starter-generator?????
Hard to believe.
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747 Classic APU generator and JT9D-7 Series generators are the same and interchangeable. The JT9 used a CSD to maintain constant speed for generator output. The generator and CSD were mounted on opposite sides of the gearbox to each other. I also believe the GENX engine uses a starter/generator.
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Like others have said between the slanging about "proper aircraft"...(whatever they are)
An APU genny can be the starter as well.
The new geneation 737's ie -800 have a starter / generator.
An IDG is an Integrated Drive and genny in one housing.
Another way of doing it was a genny mounted on a CSD constant speed drive unit.Genny could usually be changed without the CSD but IDG changed as one unit.
On APU's, genny speed is generally controlled by APU speed which is usually constant or near to that, ie 99 to 101%.
So if a genny on an APU has frequency issues quite possible its a fuel control problem.On an main engine more likely a CSD or IDG issue as frequency is controlled by some very clever devices as engine speed varies widely.
Mostly generic comments but I'm sure you get the idea.
An APU genny can be the starter as well.
The new geneation 737's ie -800 have a starter / generator.
An IDG is an Integrated Drive and genny in one housing.
Another way of doing it was a genny mounted on a CSD constant speed drive unit.Genny could usually be changed without the CSD but IDG changed as one unit.
On APU's, genny speed is generally controlled by APU speed which is usually constant or near to that, ie 99 to 101%.
So if a genny on an APU has frequency issues quite possible its a fuel control problem.On an main engine more likely a CSD or IDG issue as frequency is controlled by some very clever devices as engine speed varies widely.
Mostly generic comments but I'm sure you get the idea.
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Like I said I work on proper aeroplanes, what's a turboprop!
But starter-generators are found on turbojet airplanes, too. A lot of them. Perhaps it's just that in 30 years of working on airplanes you've moved in such small circles that your experience has been rather narrow...as evidenced by the fact that you've never heard of a starter-generator.
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Denti
The Boeing 787 seems to have starter generators not only on the APU but on the engines as well. So not really a foreign concept.