NAV & LOGO lights operation during DAY light

[kuwait340]

Hello

i have seen many pilots having the aircraft nav and logo lights switched ON during the day light.

i made my research but found nothing on this subject.

in my opinion, switching them ON during day light will only use the light it self without showing anything to anybody.

i recall one of my instructors telling me if it is a day flight, i should switch them ON at the begining of the sun set.

or if it is night flight, i should switch them OFF 1/2 after the sun rise.

the reason for my question is many times we found that the one of the nav lights being u/s when we need to use it for the night flight !

appreciate all inputs.

Regards

[EMIT]

Logo lights are useless during daytime, nobody sees them.

NAV lights ON during daytime on the ground can serve the purpose of indicating to people around the aircraft that its electrical system is powered up, indicating that people are at work in the aircraft. This may help in estimating the risk of working on and around the aircraft.

[Cyclone733]

Nav/logo lights can be useful in low visibility conditions eg mist/fog

On the other hand it can be a case of turning them on and forgetting to turn them off, or turning them on immediately to avoid forgetting to turn them on.

[PT6A]

Our SOP's say that NAV light are on anytime the aircraft is powered.

Wing lights are on before engine start and below FL100 daytime at night they stay on.

Logo light night time ops only.

[kuwait340]

thank you very much guys,

it makes more sense to me now.

[HOMER SIMPSONS LOVECHILD]

Was told a long time ago by a senior engeneer that he would probably never have to replace a bulb if us pilots would stop switching the bloody things on and off.
Whadya think? Saving electricity or something ?

[FLX/MCT]

A320 - logo

On the A320 you have a combined switch for the NAV and LOGO lights. Are the logo-lights always on, when this switch is engaged or is there a seperate logic for the illumination ot the tail?


regards,

Luke

[TopSwiss 737]

If I remember correctly, on the A320 family the logo lights are illuminated with the NAV lights switched on and the aircraft is on ground (weight on wheels) or when the flaps are out of up.

[Techman]

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[FLX/MCT]

If I remember correctly, on the A320 family the logo lights are illuminated with the NAV lights switched on and the aircraft is on ground (weight on wheels) or when the flaps are out of up.

That makes sense!

Thanks for your answer TopSwiss 737

[FlightDetent]

Originally Posted by TopSwiss 737

If I remember correctly, on the A320 family the logo lights are illuminated with the NAV lights switched on and the aircraft is on ground (weight on wheels) or when the flaps are out of up.

I gladly admit not having an idea that such logic even existed. Never too late to learn I checked FCOM (1.33.20 p4) for more. Technically speaking it says "flaps are extended to at least 15°".

Further reading (1.27.50 p5) revealed that F=1 is 10° (319/20/21), and F=2 is 15° (319/20), or 14° (321).

Interestingly, this would mean that for 1+F departures logo will go out upon liftoff for 319/20 and the same applies for CF 2 departure on a 321.

Pictures I could find :

Swiss A319
TAP 320

But can anybody tell if the Swiss is really 1+F as opposed to TAP being CF 2 ?

[goeasy]

The filament heat cycles, is also why I hate seeing people turn taxi light off when stopped, then on again, off again etc if moving in a queue. Just wastes good money for no benefit. Who cares if the taxi light stays on while you are stationary?

[cessna24]

Inop NAV lights according to the A320 MEL states that you can only fly daylight hours. So no night time flying. Logo Lights are not mandatory as I understand it. An ADD can be raised which I think gets the 120 days limit if they are inop.

Some Air traffic controllers comment to pilots about not having logo lights on but i believe that is for only helping them see the a/c on the ground.

c24

[h3dxb]

Here the one and only true word , don't nail me on the A330 AMM

When you set the toggle switch 3LA to the ON-1 (ON-2) position the logo lights come on automatically with the
NAV1 (NAV2) lights during the subsequent flight phases:

- taxiing,
- take off,

- landing

When you set the toggle switch 'NAV/LOGO' 3LA to the ON-1 (ON-2) position, the relay 4LA (5LA) energizes

and supplies 28VDC to relay 3LY. The ground signal is supplied from two sources

Landing Gear Control and Interface Unit (LGCIU) 5GA2, when the landing gear struts are compressed (e.g.
taxiing),
and/or

Slat Flap Control Computer (SFCC) 21CV (22CV), when the flaps are lowered to 15 degrees or more (e.g.
take-off, landing).

The use of NAV/LOGO lights is advised by the authority.

rgds

[ACMS]

What ever happened to a switch with "on" and "off"

Why are things so complicated?

[Admiral346]

The filament heat cycles, is also why I hate seeing people turn taxi light off when stopped, then on again, off again etc if moving in a queue. Just wastes good money for no benefit. Who cares if the taxi light stays on while you are stationary?

It is in my OM-B that the taxi light has a max of 10 minutes when stopped due to overheating. So it should be switched off when stopping, latest after 10 minutes. I have wondered about this making sense, but then I really don't care. They want me to do it, I'll do it!

Nic

[FlightDetent]

Nic: That's on the CRJ, right? Although the thread starter did not specify I thought he was referring to Toulouse family where in the book it is not. I'm genuinely curious if you had that in your long haul days. Not that it may had not been substantial; although I struggle to find any cooling effect in 40° taxi or v.v. overheat in -5˜° holding. OTOH, once engineers require then it is settled.

FD (the un-real)

[h3dxb]

What ever happened to a switch with "on" and "off"

Hi ACMS.

This >>old<< on/off is over now
today the plane is designed to reduce workload of pilots.......

even the coffemaker is not a simple onn/off.

Next generation is Startrek and I get the tricorder (hopefully)

[muduckace]

It is international procedure to turn the taxi light on to indicate the aircraft is going to move or is in movement and off when stationary. It is a safety procedure. Many just neglect it.

[Pilot Pete]

It is international procedure

Are you sure? I thought it was just an ICAO recommendation, which had not become procedure yet......

Do you have a reference? Cheers.

PP