What's on this a/c's glareshield?
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What's on this a/c's glareshield?
Can someone tell me, what is the device installed on top of this Q400's glareshield? Thanks!
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American Airlines DC-9s and derivatives used mechanical checklists that were fitted down below. USAF uses something called a scrolling checklist on some of their larger craft. The Airbus A320 has some checklist items showing on the ECAM. 
A basic but good checkilist. Each panel can be raised for the phase of flight and a shutter system is used to either cover or uncover the item.
Multiple panels and individual items can be raised/uncovered at the same time if numerous items needed to be resolved (eg on the ground during maintenance checks).
Blue Knob is lighting control (dimmer)
We used them on our wonderful F28s in PNG and certainly were a simple yet safe system......you couldn't miss an outstanding checklist item.
$10,000 was the price thrown about in my day!
Multiple panels and individual items can be raised/uncovered at the same time if numerous items needed to be resolved (eg on the ground during maintenance checks).
Blue Knob is lighting control (dimmer)
We used them on our wonderful F28s in PNG and certainly were a simple yet safe system......you couldn't miss an outstanding checklist item.
$10,000 was the price thrown about in my day!
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Common on two crew airline aircraft in the Oz of old ... DC9 in particular and, I think, IPEC may have used them on the Argosy as well ? For whatever reason, it didn't migrate to the 737 ...
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Although, I cannot answer your query, I suspect the picture image from your link is CGI and a very good one.The screen and throttle leavers give the game away plus the the snow flakes.
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JT - I think even TAA's first Friendships (late 50's) had a similar system, though I stand to be corrected for it was a long, long time ago. Was a mere teenager at the time. Associated Airlines had one of TAA's on lease and was the source of my involvement.
Used to great effect also on MacRobertson Miller Airline's F28s in Western Australia. After checklist is completed, open all the shutters before stowing - less to do when you next you action it.
If it wasn't invented by the Yanks, they're not interested. 
For whatever reason, it didn't migrate to the 737 ...
DAZDAZ:----------- stop smoking that weed.
That is a real phot of a Qantaslink Dash8-400 parked on the Apron on a wet Sydney day. CGI?????????????????
Screens and Throttle levers? yeah what's wrong with them?
The Throttles are closed correctly and the screens? Well the left Inboard display has the Terrain switched on, you can see the coast east of the airport. Most probably turned on for the photo.
Snow flakes? That is water drops on the window. Snow flakes!!! good one.
If it was Snow the warm windows would melt it back to water drops anyway!!
And yes the thing on the Glareshield IS A CHECKLIST as the posts above confirmed. I have very close family that fly that very Aircraft and maybe even on THAT wet Syd day.
You can even see the QF ground transfer Bus parked at the nose.
That is a real phot of a Qantaslink Dash8-400 parked on the Apron on a wet Sydney day. CGI?????????????????
Screens and Throttle levers? yeah what's wrong with them?
The Throttles are closed correctly and the screens? Well the left Inboard display has the Terrain switched on, you can see the coast east of the airport. Most probably turned on for the photo.
Snow flakes? That is water drops on the window. Snow flakes!!! good one.
If it was Snow the warm windows would melt it back to water drops anyway!!
And yes the thing on the Glareshield IS A CHECKLIST as the posts above confirmed. I have very close family that fly that very Aircraft and maybe even on THAT wet Syd day.
You can even see the QF ground transfer Bus parked at the nose.
Our American Airlines 707's had just a single column one on the forward edge of the FE panel. It was the Challange / Responce check list for takeoff and landing. Once the FE got the answer for each question, the slide went the other way for the next takeoff or landing. Very simple to use.
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This is the first time I have seen one in a two person cockpit. Center location makes sense, but does it block your view in flight?
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This is the first time I have seen one in a two person cockpit. Center location makes sense, but does it block your view in flight?
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Surely it's not in the position shown for flight. Perhaps it's positioned so that it appears between the viewer and the center post of the windshield, and thus doesn't block any outside view? I really hate having anything whatsoever obstructing any part of my windows in flight- even the extra height added to the glareshield by that installation would irk me some.
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"If it wasn't invented by the Yanks, they're not interested."
Great point! That's surely why old Whittle's gas turbine technology never caught on over here in the States!
Great point! That's surely why old Whittle's gas turbine technology never caught on over here in the States!
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This thread really takes me back!!
Something very similar was also fitted to the ANZ (then called NZNAC) F27 fleet. I remember them clearly 'cos I was responsible for (at the time) the only "full" F27 flight sim in the world (motion, visual, full digital modelling) - this was before the days when "Cat D", etc, sims had been defined by the Authorities. The sim manufacturer was called Redifon/Rediffusion in those days, I'm talking about 1975.
To simulate that F27 checklist device on the sim we just fitted an aircraft item, received on "embodiment loan" from NAC stores in Christchurch if I recall correctly. No idea of the cost but probably USD 10K not too far out.
And also those items (very simple, very clear, virtually foolproof) never made it on to NAC's B737s either (at more or less the same time as the F27 we did an - early, 6000 light points only, no polygons - CGI visual onto the NAC B737 sim). I don't know why not, but as a guess, would say that rather than being a US "NIH syndrome" problem, this "mechanical Checklist device" was more than likely either an Oz or Kiwi "invention" originally, therefore fitted under local Authority approval/s rather than with an STC acceptable to the FAA and other Authorities.
My goodness, that WAS a long time ago. Happy daze! (at least in some ways).
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This thread really takes me back!!
Something very similar was also fitted to the ANZ (then called NZNAC) F27 fleet. I remember them clearly 'cos I was responsible for (at the time) the only "full" F27 flight sim in the world (motion, visual, full digital modelling) - this was before the days when "Cat D", etc, sims had been defined by the Authorities. The sim manufacturer was called Redifon/Rediffusion in those days, I'm talking about 1975.
To simulate that F27 checklist device on the sim we just fitted an aircraft item, received on "embodiment loan" from NAC stores in Christchurch if I recall correctly. No idea of the cost but probably USD 10K not too far out.
And also those items (very simple, very clear, virtually foolproof) never made it on to NAC's B737s either (at more or less the same time as the F27 we did an - early, 6000 light points only, no polygons - CGI visual onto the NAC B737 sim). I don't know why not, but as a guess, would say that rather than being a US "NIH syndrome" problem, this "mechanical Checklist device" was more than likely either an Oz or Kiwi "invention" originally, therefore fitted under local Authority approval/s rather than with an STC acceptable to the FAA and other Authorities.
My goodness, that WAS a long time ago. Happy daze! (at least in some ways).
Krgds
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AES,
I too was involved with that F27 but from the UK end.
IIRC it had a weird 4th motion axis with the motion base on rails to give sway cues? Never caught on!!
I too was involved with that F27 but from the UK end.
IIRC it had a weird 4th motion axis with the motion base on rails to give sway cues? Never caught on!!