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Old 26th Jun 2008, 20:29
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Copy that Rainboe

As stated, I have a number of PM's that I have received have expressed grave concerns about fuel planning with Low Fuel figures at destination arrival.

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I am guilty of not keeping a close eye on this thread. Had a complaint about things getting a tad heated up .. not important who complained or to which posters the complaint related ..

Just to restate the ground rules for Tech Log ..

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With apologies to many, I have conducted a slash and burn operation on the thread to remove the odd comment and then endeavoured to tidy up other posts so the thing still flows ... inadequacies in so doing remain mine alone.

I accept that the occasional thread stirs up passions a bit .. and fuel is something near and dear to our hearts .. except for the sailplane colleagues who prefer a quieter life ... perhaps we can all take ten deep breaths and carry on the arguments in a more dignified manner ?

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Just how accurate are the 737NG fuel qty indicators anyhow?
I know that each type of system has it's own pros and cons, but per the FAA (for those aircraft built under FAR 25)

§ 25.1553 Fuel quantity indicator.
If the unusable fuel supply for any tank exceeds one gallon, or five percent of the tank capacity, whichever is greater, a red arc must be marked on its indicator extending from the calibrated zero reading to the lowest reading obtainable in level flight.

Having flown the old probe system, I know that pitch and roll angles changed the readings. Also, there was the question of how long ago the system was calibrated.
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Old 27th Jun 2008, 14:08
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Originally Posted by Dogma
I have had a number of PM's about the issue of arrival fuel into the UK particularly into London airports. Clearly the use of the Low Fuel checklist and committing with the very real potential of burning Final Reserve is not acceptable
- Great! Are you planning to do anything with these PMs? Are you presenting the case to the CAA, who will probably point at the AIC and (rightly) say 'at least 20mins extra is about 2400kg - what's the problem?'? This is a very old PPrune topic and one which has been pretty-well thrashed to death before. The answer is already in place and there should be NO 'planning' into LON with the fuels you offer. If you can get a change in CAA regulation of airlines we will all benefit from being able to carry that 'little bit extra' into busy airports, whereas at the moment the other thread suggests that 1800kg (and below) is an 'acceptable CMR' in the CAA's eyes (see post#22 and other thread). If you are intending to try to stop a/c 'committing' there will be big issues at big airways! Do you have issues with 'statistical contingency fuel' as used in BA?
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