Rate of Climb-Rate of Descent

[andrepilota]

Hi guys,

I've had some discussion recently with some friends regarding ROC and ROD.

I'm pretty sure that during descent you should maintain
AT LEAST 1000 fpm,and in the climb AT LEAST 500 fpm,otherwise advise ATC.

Is that true or just wide spread common sense?

Does anybody know on which official document can I find it (i.e. DOC 4444 or ATPL books like AIR LAW,PERF or else) ?

thanks

[Engine overtemp]

You'd never get an A320 to give you 500FPM towards the top of climb.

I believe the only restriction is 500 FPM in descent.

[eyeinthesky]

In the UK: Minimum 500fpm climb or descent unless you advise ATC. It's in the UK AIP Gen section near the beginning but I can't remember the exact reference.

This restriction not in force once on a CDA from the holding fix.

[airman13]

For descent 800ft/min or greater
climb 500ft/min or greater

[andrepilota]

only on AIP?

Can I find that thing ONLY on AIPs?

anything on DOCs or ATPL manuals?

thanks in advance

[Bad to the bones]

Rate of climb rate of desc

According to FAR-AIM
on AIR TRAFFIC PROCEDURES CHAPTER 5-3-3 (page 695)
5-3-3 Additional reports:

THE FOLLOWING REPORTS SHOULD BE MADE TO ATC or FSS WITHOUT a SPECIFIC ATC REQUEST.

1. When vacating any previously assigned ALT or FL for a newly assigned ALT or FL
2. When an ALT change will be made if OP on a clearance specifying VFR on TOP
3. WHEN UNABLE TO CLIMB / DESCEND AT a RATE of AT LEAST 500 FEET per MINUTE
4. ETC-ETC-ETC

[andrepilota]

thanks

thanks a lot bttb,I hope I can find something related to europe as well....

cheers guys

[Spitoon]

I looked for this in ICAO once - a while back - but I could find nothing specified in PANS-ATM, PANS-OPS or the European Air Navigation Plan or even a requirement for the State to specify minimum/maximum rates. The only references were to how to apply vertical speed control for separation purposes and down to individual controllers to state if a particular rate is required.

[Brian Abraham]

The only reference I could find in a quick scan of Australia AIP's is ENR 1.7-8 (4.1.6 a) The phrase "STANDARD RATE", when included in a clearance, specifies a rate of climb or descent of not less than 500 FPM; except that the last 1,000 feet to an assigned level must be made at 500 FPM.

[Extra Tonne]

All info relating to the above can be found in Jeppessen text ATC section. Look at differernces for UK airspace

[Andy Rylance]

Any chance of someone giving a guidance on rates of climb in a typical climb out profile from their particular aircraft right up to cruise? Of particular interest is what you would be getting from a heavy compared to a light aircraft (I mean the same aircraft just one at MTOW and one half or less loaded)

[whyisitsohard]

If you are going up or down in RVSM then the advice is a MAXIMUM of 1000fpm to avoid pinging the TCAS

D

[andrepilota]

If you are going up or down in RVSM then the advice is a MAXIMUM of 1000fpm to avoid pinging the TCAS

this is ONLY valid in the last 1,000 ft to avoid TCAS RA,be it in a climb or descent,but that's not what I meant when I opened the thread.

I've had lots of colleagues complaining about ACFT descending with 800 fpm whilst they were expecting at least 1,000 fpm.....

that's why I'd like to find out THE BOOK where I can see this thing written down.

has anybody seen anything written in a JAA ATPL book ?
ICAO paper (as DOC 4444)?
I'm looking for europe mainly,not planning to go to work in Oz yet

thanks

[roljoe]

Hi,

always heard that atc made their management with at least 1000ft/'

and if different they'l let you know...but nothing "stone engraved"..

suggest you post your request in the atc section...their p.o.v. could be of interest..

rgds

[mutt]

You'd never get an A320 to give you 500FPM towards the top of climb

Of course you can... all you have to do it plan a top of climb altitude where you can still achieve 500 fpm. This is then sent to your flight planning provider.

Mutt