Engine failure video.
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From: Smogsville
Engine failure video.
Anybody know the carrier that had this.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...99935242&q=747
Looks like he's got full left aileron in, with no rudder and then gets the rudder in and puts full right aileron in, also, is it just me or does the pitch attitude seem very excessive for a moment there?
Might be Continental, is that their old logo on the maint truck?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...99935242&q=747
Looks like he's got full left aileron in, with no rudder and then gets the rudder in and puts full right aileron in, also, is it just me or does the pitch attitude seem very excessive for a moment there?
Might be Continental, is that their old logo on the maint truck?
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From: Surrounding the localizer
Looks a bit like a surge of some description..the pulsing flame is a bit of a clue (just an opinion based on a bit of previous experience...but happy to be proved wrong)
Hard to see any other damage to the engine casing, or burn or scorch marks from the video
Hard to see any other damage to the engine casing, or burn or scorch marks from the video
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From: deco stop
Just missed Russ Hill.....
I think it was very close to the hill.
Taken a long time to unearth the video, thanks very much.
I lived near Russ Hill in those days.
No thoughts of continuing of 3.
Windy
Taken a long time to unearth the video, thanks very much.
I lived near Russ Hill in those days.
No thoughts of continuing of 3.
Windy
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SMOC, I think you are reading too much into this. Where do you get the rudder inputs from? I see a wing being lifted by the aileron, then a bit of wing levelling going on and maybe as well rudder is being put in at that stage, but that is still contriving a bit too far. This is not a surge- I think the fire is burning steadily- looks like a serious fuel leak or engine rupture. A surge is a cannon shot type event, an instantaneous 'belch' that may well spew out a momentary flame and sparks (spectacular at night- I was sat next to a 707 engine repeatedly surging and it was amazing). The surge can recover itself or the engine needs to be shut down to prevent overtemperature. Very different things to what is in this video, so any attempts to bring up the LAX incident are irrelevant to this one.
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Rainboe, the reason I came up with that, is the fact that the I/B aileron is full down and not moving, ie a consistent left roll input, but the A/C is still turning right. Then it begins to suddenly roll left which is the point I think the rudder is put in, approaching wings level the aileron is reversed to full right momentarily before the A/C becomes relatively balanced.
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This is a 1989 event to a Continental operated PE B747 with tired out engines and a confirmed surge and rundown on the righthand side and then a likely single surge on the left hand side after the crew allows an excessive pitch. The aircraft lost altitude and caused some alarm to the tower when it disappeared below the tree line out of Gatwick.
Agree that most surges are single events over in a second, unless of course the initating cause is not corrected.
The crews actions in this event were criticized in the AAIB report for the excessive pitch
Agree that most surges are single events over in a second, unless of course the initating cause is not corrected.
The crews actions in this event were criticized in the AAIB report for the excessive pitch
