Oh no, its "Practice pan, Practice pan" time again!!
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1.I have been an instructor teaching commercial students in the UK until recently, now flying for an airline and I do monitor 121.5 when over remote area's.
2.Practice pan's were certainly part of the UK r/t syllabus.
3.As huggy put it it can be readily cancelled in case of genuine emergency-call prefixed London centre, G- ABCD request practice pan- if busy told to go away.
4. Perhaps most importantly regularly requested on our flying notice board that London had requested practice pans from us for controller practice-incidentally giving my students valuable practice,obviously in the us the controllers need no practice.
5.Will you please listen-121.5 is the only freq in the uk that offers autotriangulation-we do regularly practice vdf from suitably equipped atc units but it is only with practice that atc can offer a quick response with a position fix with a position overlayed on aviation chart or ordinance survey, and believe me they are quick.
6.If it is too much bother to monitor 121.5 without getting upset by the occassional practice pan close to uk airspace then don't-but personally I have never flown with anyone that it seems to upset as much as it does some of you-I would rather the speedy and competant response from practice than any other.
Question-As it is airline pilots who seem to be complaining,why in the simulator do you practice,practice,practice emergency handling until it becomes second nature???-would you deny ATC the same benefit of practice.
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2.Practice pan's were certainly part of the UK r/t syllabus.
3.As huggy put it it can be readily cancelled in case of genuine emergency-call prefixed London centre, G- ABCD request practice pan- if busy told to go away.
4. Perhaps most importantly regularly requested on our flying notice board that London had requested practice pans from us for controller practice-incidentally giving my students valuable practice,obviously in the us the controllers need no practice.
5.Will you please listen-121.5 is the only freq in the uk that offers autotriangulation-we do regularly practice vdf from suitably equipped atc units but it is only with practice that atc can offer a quick response with a position fix with a position overlayed on aviation chart or ordinance survey, and believe me they are quick.
6.If it is too much bother to monitor 121.5 without getting upset by the occassional practice pan close to uk airspace then don't-but personally I have never flown with anyone that it seems to upset as much as it does some of you-I would rather the speedy and competant response from practice than any other.
Question-As it is airline pilots who seem to be complaining,why in the simulator do you practice,practice,practice emergency handling until it becomes second nature???-would you deny ATC the same benefit of practice.
[This message has been edited by straight&level (edited 23 April 2001).]
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Hug,
1. OK.
2. The frequency is not supposed to available for emergencies, it's reserved for emergencies.
3. Bumbling on into controlled airspace instead of calling up and asking for a position fix is the prefered method for British students temporary uncertain of their position. I'm sorry for suggesting otherwise. As for my attitude: "Get a life ,get a little sympathy with learners and stop being arrogant know-it-all-prats, and stop whinging and blah, blah, blah, certainly promotes love and understanding within our community.
4. I think you really, really underestimate your students.
Straight and level,
1. Ok.
2. But not the rest of the world.
3. See my answer to huggy.
4. In general I understood London ATC to be pretty busy (all sectors) but I'm relived to find this is not the case. I now get to practise my (poor) english.
5. Will you please listen-121.5 is the only frequency in the rest of the world thats reserved for emergencies ONLY.
6. We practice, practice, practise in the simulator because in the old days pilots used to die practicing in the aircraft. ATC (UK style, and I give them 10 points) hardly gets a heartattack if you ask them for a fix. My personal opinion, but please correct me if I'm wrong.
Regards,
Scando
1. OK.
2. The frequency is not supposed to available for emergencies, it's reserved for emergencies.
3. Bumbling on into controlled airspace instead of calling up and asking for a position fix is the prefered method for British students temporary uncertain of their position. I'm sorry for suggesting otherwise. As for my attitude: "Get a life ,get a little sympathy with learners and stop being arrogant know-it-all-prats, and stop whinging and blah, blah, blah, certainly promotes love and understanding within our community.
4. I think you really, really underestimate your students.
Straight and level,
1. Ok.
2. But not the rest of the world.
3. See my answer to huggy.
4. In general I understood London ATC to be pretty busy (all sectors) but I'm relived to find this is not the case. I now get to practise my (poor) english.
5. Will you please listen-121.5 is the only frequency in the rest of the world thats reserved for emergencies ONLY.
6. We practice, practice, practise in the simulator because in the old days pilots used to die practicing in the aircraft. ATC (UK style, and I give them 10 points) hardly gets a heartattack if you ask them for a fix. My personal opinion, but please correct me if I'm wrong.
Regards,
Scando
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Scando, until you can come up with some evidence that UK practice endangers aircraft, does not result in ATC being able to practice their D&D Autotriangulation and emergency procedures for real, does not make for more confident PPL's and occupies badly needed resources, I suggest that this well-established procedure will continue, whether pilots from other countries like it or not.
This reply was originally longer and rather more scathing of your attitude. I thought better of it.
I shall leave it at this:-
The case for such a practice has been made, several times over. No case has been made against.
You disagree. Tough.
This reply was originally longer and rather more scathing of your attitude. I thought better of it.
I shall leave it at this:-
The case for such a practice has been made, several times over. No case has been made against.
You disagree. Tough.
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Talk to yourselves, you silly and incompetent people who weren't born qualified pilots. Ignore your silly national procedures.
Don't you know that these selfish radio calls sometimes wake up real pilots who have to catch up with their sleep on long commercial sectors? That is very inconsiderate and annoying, especially if the volume is set too loud. There is nothing so tedious as reaching out to switch off the alarm clock.
Actually, I've not heard a single practice call on 121.5 in the last 3 weeks, but quite a few on other in-use ATC frequencies, which hassled a busy ATCO on one occasion.
Don't you know that these selfish radio calls sometimes wake up real pilots who have to catch up with their sleep on long commercial sectors? That is very inconsiderate and annoying, especially if the volume is set too loud. There is nothing so tedious as reaching out to switch off the alarm clock.
Actually, I've not heard a single practice call on 121.5 in the last 3 weeks, but quite a few on other in-use ATC frequencies, which hassled a busy ATCO on one occasion.
It's always nice to have a thread that goes on for a while, but I think that all would agree this one is getting a little circular.
I like the fact that ATC actually monitor 121.5 in the UK. In Australia the only people monitoring 121.5 are the satellites (beacon signals only, please) and the airline pilots! As for a country wide position triangulation on the frequency, I am impressed!
As an aside, if you are a UK pilot visiting our skies, calling any emergency on 121.5 will only wake up a "coffee drinker", so be nice if you want a relay
Now in a total abitrary abuse of my moderator-ship, I am going to close this thread on the grounds of length (and lack of original argument). Those with separation anxiety may start again on a new thread.
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[This message has been edited by Checkboard (edited 28 April 2001).]
I like the fact that ATC actually monitor 121.5 in the UK. In Australia the only people monitoring 121.5 are the satellites (beacon signals only, please) and the airline pilots! As for a country wide position triangulation on the frequency, I am impressed!
As an aside, if you are a UK pilot visiting our skies, calling any emergency on 121.5 will only wake up a "coffee drinker", so be nice if you want a relay
Now in a total abitrary abuse of my moderator-ship, I am going to close this thread on the grounds of length (and lack of original argument
). Those with separation anxiety may start again on a new thread.------------------
Tech Log forum moderator
[This message has been edited by Checkboard (edited 28 April 2001).]
