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Batten down the hatches
Looks like we have an interesting evening / night ahead in the UK!
Happy to be on the ground ..... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LONDON HEATHROW - EGLL - LHR FT: TAF EGLL 071030Z 071812 22020G30KT 9999 BKN020 TEMPO 1803 22025G40KT 9000 BKN014 TEMPO 0307 21032G45KT 3500 RA BKN012 PROB30 TEMPO 0307 21040G58KT BECMG 0709 25020G30KT TEMPO 0711 25025G40KT = LONDON GATWICK - EGKK - LGW FT: TAF EGKK 071030Z 071812 22020G30KT 9999 BKN020 TEMPO 1803 22025G40KT 9000 BKN009 TEMPO 0307 21032G45KT 3500 RA BKN008 PROB30 TEMPO 0307 21040G58KT BECMG 0709 25020G30KT TEMPO 0711 25025G40KT = MANCHESTER - EGCC - MAN FT: TAF EGCC 071021Z 071812 18020G30KT 9999 -RA SCT012 BKN025 TEMPO 1804 18025G40KT 5000 RA BKN008 BECMG 0306 26028G40KT NSW SCT025 SCT040 TEMPO 0512 27035G50KT 5000 SHRA SHRAGS BKN015CB= NEWCASTLE - EGNT - NCL FT: TAF EGNT 071021Z 071812 18010KT 9999 -RA SCT010 BKN020 TEMPO 1803 4000 RA BKN008 BECMG 2124 19020G30KT BECMG 0205 25030G45KT NSW SCT025 TEMPO 0612 27035G60KT 8000 SHRA= GLASGOW - EGPF - GLA FT: TAF AMD EGPF 070647Z 071206 23012KT 9999 SCT020 TEMPO 1218 22016G27KT 7000 SHRA BKN020 BECMG 1821 VRB08KT 7000 RA BKN018 PROB40 TEMPO 1806 3000 +RA BKN009 BECMG 0003 21025G35KT BECMG 0306 26034G48KT = EDINBURGH - EGPH - EDI FT: TAF EGPH 070351Z 071206 23012KT 9999 SCT025 TEMPO 1218 23016G27KT 7000 SHRA BKN020 BECMG 1821 VRB07KT 7000 RA BKN020 PROB40 TEMPO 1806 3000 +RA BKN012 BECMG 0003 23022G34KT BECMG 0306 25034G50KT= Be safe up there! [editied to change the EDI wxx into the 'preferred' format] |
Dont forget us poor sods!
EGGW 071030Z 071812 22020G30KT 9999 BKN020 TEMPO 1803 22028G42KT 9000 BKN012 TEMPO 0307 21032G48KT 3500 RA BKN010 PROB30 TEMPO 0307 21042G60KT BECMG 0709 25020G32KT TEMPO 0712 25025G42KT |
Top Bunk,
I particularly like the way you've seperated out all the TEMPO, makes assimilating the info much easier. Why have the Met Office given Luton an extra 2 knots tomorrow morning? Is it 'cos of their elevated position in the world? I'll be Northbound on the M1 past there at about that time; perhaps I'll be able to put the car into neutral and coast up to Northampton!!! I feel for all those Airfield Ops folk up & down the country dealing with sets of steps on their sides, swivelling a/c that haven't been properly chocked/tied down, containers blowing about etc etc. Get it all faced into wind or tied down NOW! Cheers, The Odd One. |
The OddOne
Put a sail up and a generator in the boot and your away plus free power G-I-B |
Think of me on the fokker 50 into LCY!:uhoh:
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Shame BAA have decided to make EGLL RWY 23 no longer available for use at less than 12 months notice.
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Batten down the hatches was the advice of the BBC TV wx reporter!
Theres gonna be a few weathercocks weathercocking.. |
Good luck vlmboy. LCY can be pretty bumpy when it's windy and then most of the pax leave the a/c looking like this::ugh:
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Top Bunk- I agree with the comment how much easier to read the weather is in that layout! Should be introduced immediately!
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Bobblehat
Shame BAA have decided to make EGLL RWY 23 no longer available for use at less than 12 months notice. I contend that any new runway/s in the SE should orientate NNE/SSW, NOT E/W. Of course, that won't happen 'cos there won't be any greenfield major airport development. The only runway that might qualify will be the parallel at STN. The LHR (and LGW, if it happens) are planned to be parallel with the existing... Cheers, The Odd One |
vlmboy...
Good luck into the LCY..... we have had reports (on Thames) of moderate to severe turbulence on departure, and an inbound North West of Detling gave the 3000 feet wind as 254/69.:sad: At least it is 255 degrees on the deck - though there have been a few go-arounds already because of the gusts. Good luck!!!! (Heathrow have been in and out of EAT's this morning due to the 39 or so per hour landing rate (normally 43 or so)) Alan |
The Odd One
I would tend to agree, but not unreservedly. The majority, but not all, of the windiest days tend to be south westerlies. I recall just about 2 years ago winds at LHR of 55 kts down the runway when runway 23 would not have helped. Then you have to think about the gusts, which usually results in the wind veering. I would rather land with the wind from the left so that any gusts tend to reduce to crosswind component, rather than increase it, as is the case in a westerly wind landing to the southwest. We can certainly agree that landing into wind is easier than landing with a limiting crosswind! As such it would be preferable to have runway 23 available again than not - we of course will never see it again at LHR. Maybe the answer is to have runways aligned 05-23 and 13-31, or then again maybe we need a 3000m floating pontoon the aligns itself into wind? |
Maybe the answer is to have runways aligned 05-23 and 13-31, or then again maybe we need a 3000m floating pontoon the aligns itself into wind? |
Warnings...
The Met Office has issued warning of severe weather. Looks like the N England and N Wales will bear the brunt of it......
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/.../warnings.html CM |
Pretty much normal operations down at EGGD!!
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Updated TAFs ....
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LONDON HEATHROW - EGLL - LHR FT: EGLL 071630Z 080018 23020G30KT 9999 BKN020 TEMPO 0003 23025G40KT 9000 BKN014 TEMPO 0307 22032G45KT 3500 +RA BKN012 PROB30 TEMPO 0307 22040G58KT BECMG 0709 26020G33KT TEMPO 0711 26025G43KT BECMG 1518 24015KT= LONDON GATWICK - EGKK - LGW FT: EGKK 071630Z 080018 23020G30KT 9999 BKN020 TEMPO 0003 23025G40KT 9000 BKN009 TEMPO 0307 22032G45KT 3500 RA BKN008 PROB30 TEMPO 0307 22040G58KT BECMG 0709 26020G33KT TEMPO 0711 26025G40KT BECMG 1518 24012KT= LONDON LUTON - EGGW - LTN FT: EGGW 071630Z 080018 23020G30KT 9999 BKN020 TEMPO 0003 23028G42KT 9000 BKN012 TEMPO 0307 22032G48KT 3500 RA BKN010 PROB30 TEMPO 0307 22042G60KT BECMG 0709 26020G32KT TEMPO 0715 26025G42KT BECMG 1518 24017KT= MANCHESTER - EGCC - MAN FT: EGCC 071651Z 080018 19025G38KT 7000 -RA SCT010 BKN020 TEMPO 0004 4000 RA BKN008 BECMG 0306 25025G40KT 9999 NSW SCT025 TEMPO 0612 27033G52KT 8000 SHRA BECMG 1316 25020G30KT= GLASGOW - EGPF - GLA FT: TAF EGPF 071744Z 080018 15007KT 7000 RA BKN014 TEMPO 0008 3000 +RA BKN007 BECMG 0408 24018G35KT PROB40 TEMPO 0618 26034G48KT BECMG 0609 9999 NSW SCT025 TEMPO 0718 8000 SHRA SCT020CB PROB40 TEMPO 0718 4000 SHRASN BKN014CB= EDINBURGH - EGPH - EDI FT: TAF EGPH 071744Z 080018 14007KT 7000 RA BKN016 TEMPO 0009 3000 +RA BKN008 BECMG 0105 24025G37KT PROB40 TEMPO 0818 25030G50KT BECMG 0710 9999 NSW SCT025 PROB40 TEMPO 0818 8000 SHRA PROB30 TEMPO 0818 4000 SHRASN SCT015CB= ABERDEEN - EGPD - ABZ FT: EGPD 071619Z 080018 15013KT 9999 -RA BKN015 TEMPO 0010 4500 +RA BKN007 BECMG 0104 09015KT BECMG 0407 20030G44KT TEMPO 0710 2000 RASN BKN005 BECMG 0709 30035G50KT BECMG 0911 25025G35KT= NEWCASTLE - EGNT - NCL FT: EGNT 071651Z 080018 19025G40KT 9999 SCT010 BKN020 TEMPO 0003 4000 RA BKN008 BECMG 0205 25035G50KT TEMPO 0713 27040G65KT BECMG 1417 25020G30KT= BIRMINGHAM - EGBB - BHX FT: EGBB 071601Z 080018 21028G45KT 9999 BKN020 TEMPO 0005 4000 RA BKN012 BECMG 0306 24025G38KT BECMG 1417 23015G25KT= LONDON STANSTED - EGSS - STN FT: EGSS 071630Z 080018 23020G30KT 9999 BKN020 TEMPO 0003 23025G40KT 9000 BKN014 TEMPO 0307 22032G45KT 3500 RA BKN012 PROB30 TEMPO 0307 22040G58KT BECMG 0709 26020G30KT TEMPO 0715 26025G40KT BECMG 1518 24015KT= .... looks like the Geordies are favourites for biggest wind, but the 220/G58 at LHR might give the biggest crosswind - although I'd rather do that (as long as it's 27L) rather than the same wind at LGW (good 'ole Freddy):ooh: |
I remember well the Oct 14th '87 hurricane in SE England - wind direction SSW. The same applied to Jan 25th 1990 SSW again. Historically Jan seems to be a very windy month so no surprises as to the present weather patterns. So it follows that runway orientation SSW or SW is definitely the best for the UK to deal with these regular atlantic weather patterns.
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On the early morning after the hurricane in Oct 87 I flew British Midland -Teesside - Heathrow on business, because the trains were stopped at Doncaster.
I can recall the spooky site of the M4 being empty ( or near to it) at 0800 ish as we landed and the sight of a windsock.... SHREDDED !! We used the short NE/SW runway as I recall. Any tales from aircrews airborne during the more severe phases of the storm?? :ok: FS ps I am typing this now in NE England......it's getting kinda windy ! |
Just completed 4 sectors between Manchester and London City and interesting to say the least ! A few guys diverted into Stansted and although it was close to limits we managed to get into City....but it wasnt for the faint hearted !
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Came into MAN about 22:30, and it was, ahem, bumpy!!! Well done to the TCX crew.
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EMA currently reporting gusts of 50kts almost straight across. I'm glad I'm indoors!!!!
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EIDW
This is from DUB at 0400 :
EIDW 080400Z 23036G51KT 9999 -RA FEW012 SCT018CB BKN035 06/03 Q0986 Currently showing : EIDW 080700Z 26031G42KT 9999 FEW018CB 04/M00 Q0996 BECMG 27025G40KT SCT018CB This should make for a nice bumpy ride into Dublin this morning :} Good luck guys and be safe. :ok: Cheers! Paul. Last edited 07.40 to give more up to date METAR |
Yeah - ATC @ EMA were reporting gusts of 50knots.
Inability to open main cargo door due to high winds meant UPS6754 to PHL has been delayed from 0615Z until 1700Z later today. |
vlmboy....RESPECT!!
Still - I have no doubt that all VLM F50's could land on either end irrespective of wind strength!!! :) ;) (and still do 224kts to 6dme!) When are you boys and girls going to arrange a visit to the Radar centre then!?!?! (or better still get us on a familiarisation flight!?) |
It's all going east so if you are too hold onto your hats
EHAM 080433Z 081206 25032G50KT 9999 SCT020 BKN030 PROB40 1214 25035G57KT BECMG 1416 26027G40KT BECMG 1618 26022G35KT BECMG 1820 26017KT EKCH 080440Z 081206 23028G40KT 6000 RA BKN006 BECMG 1214 23040G55KT 9999 NSW SCT020 TEMPO 1406 6000 SHRA BKN012 SCT020CB BECMG 0002 25022G35KT |
UPSAirOps
Was that 50kts around 5.30am by any chance? It was strong enough to set off numerous car alarms in my neighbourhood and wake me from my slumber :mad: ES ;) |
Landed at LHR at 0520-ish this morning. Quite turbulent!
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Whilst these conditions may be regarded as infrequent south of 55 degrees North, they are not uncommon north of the border.
To quote an old saying "Scottish sigmet no. xx valid until March" :cool: |
Fake Sealion, I operated a 737 into EGJJ in Oct 87 around 2pm after the hurricane had gone through, the wind was westerly still gusting around 55-60 kts. (I think they had had a gust over 125kts during the night.) The sea was completely, I mean completely, white and on the approach to 27 we were looking directly down into the rooms of houses which were missing roofs. It wasn't too bumpy as I remember, no worse than 35kts from the SW at EGKK say.
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Alan M , thanks for the weather info for LCY yesterday afternoon, It was rough and even our aircraft VLV suffered a punctured tyre on the last landing into LCY. MAN pax returned on the LPL flight , aircraft AOG until spares flown in from Antwerp this morning.....and sure we could come to some arrangement
regarding fam flight! |
Is the worst over?
Due to high winds at LPL last night VLM F50 OO-VLX jumped chocks circled and hit in a GPU..... Nose cone has hole big enough to put your hand in and the radar stuff in side is Knackered. LPLLCY pax bussed to MAN to do sector.
Easyjet cancelled all (I think) departures this morning from LPL... A sea of pax queing to change/refund flights at the desk and at the check-in's Oh yeah and a big section of the perimeter fence blew down... but security were there watchin out whilst it was being fixed!!! All staff doin a crackin job to keep all the pax informed with regular announcements and updates. |
WHAT A LOVELY EVENING AT LGW
I can safely say that last night was the worst flying conditions I have ever encountered.
We arrived at LGW with plenty of fuel due to the forecast wind. Commenced our appr following Ezy who eventually went around. Wind at 2000ft was in excess of 70kts at times. Very hard to read the instruments fluctations of +15 to -10 kts. At 140ft above, got Windshear warning and did a low level go around. Climbed straight ahead to 3000 and given a radar heading for our downwind. Maintaining 3000ft downwind, had a tail of in excess of 75kts and a g/s just shy of 300kts. We then encountered a severe downdraft of about 700/800fpm which the autopilot dealt with very well. We then started thinking about EGSS and got the plates out in case. Commenced our second approach and once again asked to do 160 til 4d. Which I thought was not that safe due to the conditions. Speed all over the place +10,-10 all the way down to a safe landing. Please demolish those hangers!! |
Thanks to all ATC staff who were informing crews about windshear last night. Losing 20kts in the blink of an eye at 500 feet was interesting :uhoh:
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I have to say it was the worst flying conditions I had flown in during my 11 years as cabin crew:( . Well done Thomson Fly.
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Bunch of pussies!
over 100 kts over Snaefell last night, and our police radio net has failed inthe north!" |
have a look at the dublin damage thread
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Go arounds at MAN
Been watching from our ops office all day looked like interesting flying! does anyone know how many flights went around? i noticed to or three er4's make 3+ approaches before getting down!
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The only thing flying in the IOM this morning was my garden shed and next door's roof tiles:
EGNS 080650Z 28045G65KT EGNS 080620Z 28042G55KT EGNS 080550Z 26057G76KT EGNS 080520Z 25055G75KT A breezy one yessir. |
Hearing that the Air Atlantique/bmi ATR42 in LBA also jumped chocks and was spun around.
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LBA wind
A pilot last night was asked on the RT
Controller>did you encounter any windshear? Pilot>ha ha ha ha! Controller>I take it that was a yes then? Pilot>lets put it one way, it was rather sporty!!:{ |
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